Power switch module requiring a reset following power outage?

etc6849

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Hi,

I was wondering if there is some sort of compact and cheap plug in module that would provide power to devices, but would require a manual reset following a power outage?

This would solve a problem I am having with my setup:

1. I have an Onkyo receiver that will power on after a power outage no matter what its state was prior to the outage.

2. I use the rs232 port of the Onkyo to turn on other devices using a custom PC running the free Motorola Premise program.

Problem Details:
Due to the two rs232 fuctionality of the Onkyo receiver along with Premise, a user turns on a device automatically by hitting the source button on the front of the receiver... In my setup, if you hit DVD, all other players are sent a discrete Off command, the DVD player along with the projector receive a discrete On command. The problem is that the Onkyo sends the same ascii code for a given source over rs232 when it first comes on. If my receiver comes on after a power outage and I'm not at home, my projector could run a week!

Possible Solutions:
One software based solution would be to use a timer to ignore the source ascii code for x seconds after the power on command is received. This would ensure the components stay off (projector and DVD player), but the receiver would stay on!

A better solution would be a simple module that uses relays such that the receiver will never have power following an outage until a reset button is pressed manually. I believe this relay scheme is used extensively in an industrial setting for safety reasons (ie big push buttons). I'm hoping there is a much smaller option that can handle a 120v 15 amp load.
 
Hi,

I was wondering if there is some sort of compact and cheap plug in module that would provide power to devices, but would require a manual reset following a power outage?

This would solve a problem I am having with my setup:

1. I have an Onkyo receiver that will power on after a power outage no matter what its state was prior to the outage.

2. I use the rs232 port of the Onkyo to turn on other devices using a custom PC running the free Motorola Premise program.

Problem Details:
Due to the two rs232 fuctionality of the Onkyo receiver along with Premise, a user turns on a device automatically by hitting the source button on the front of the receiver... In my setup, if you hit DVD, all other players are sent a discrete Off command, the DVD player along with the projector receive a discrete On command. The problem is that the Onkyo sends the same ascii code for a given source over rs232 when it first comes on. If my receiver comes on after a power outage and I'm not at home, my projector could run a week!

Possible Solutions:
One software based solution would be to use a timer to ignore the source ascii code for x seconds after the power on command is received. This would ensure the components stay off (projector and DVD player), but the receiver would stay on!

A better solution would be a simple module that uses relays such that the receiver will never have power following an outage until a reset button is pressed manually. I believe this relay scheme is used extensively in an industrial setting for safety reasons (ie big push buttons). I'm hoping there is a much smaller option that can handle a 120v 15 amp load.
Get a small UPS so your reciever never loses power. Find one with RS232 on it so you can detect when it goes on battery and send a discrete off command to all devices attached to it - the "standby" power draw on components is so little a small UPS will last a long time. This is also a good solution for protecting your equipment if you expect semi-frequent power outages.
 
This is good thinking. However, I don't think it is fool proof for the following reason:

I already have a 1500 VA UPS in use now. However, the standby current of all my devices plus the current my home automation server draws could completely drain the batteries if the outage was long. Then, when power came back the HA server would automatically come on (by design) and the receiver would still perform its auto power on function.

That being said, I think it's a great add on you're suggesting though since it costs me nothing to add so I'm going to add it! :( I could even have an email or text sent to my phone upon a power outage so I would know about it. This would also email me a summary after power is restored, ie how long the outage was, were the batteries drained etc...

I'd still like to find a small module that involves a push button to lock in a power relay.
The operation would be like this: when power is lost, the power relay contacts would open. The relay contacts would remain open until current was passed through a coil via the user pushing a push button, closing a second contact. Once current is passed through the coil via the push button, a second contact would be closed and stay closed allowing the power relay to stay locked in. I'm guessing I can buy a fail safe switch like this and wire it to an outlet box, but I was looking for a less time consuming and cheaper option.
 
I was wondering if there is some sort of compact and cheap plug in module that would provide power to devices, but would require a manual reset following a power outage?
If I understand your desires correctly, this is pretty easy. You need a relay with a 110VAC coil and 15A DPDT contacts. Radio Shack #: 275-217 is close, but only 10A, but that may be enough for ya.

Wire one of the NO contacts in series with the coil. Wire your push button (manual start) across the NO contacts (that are in series with the coil). Use the other set of contacts NC/C/NO to control power to the outlet/devices you are trying to control.

So, you effectively have
110VAC -> coil -> NO contacts -> 110VAC or
110VAC -> coil -> push button -> 110VAC

When power is applied, the relay will NOT energize due to the NO contacts. But when you push the button (simulating the contacts) the coil energizes. Then the contacts relieve you from having to hold the button forever, until the power fails again.
 
275-217 states: This DPDT plug-in relay is ideal for switching high-current appliances and lighting. Coil rating of 125VAC, 15mA, 4.5 ohms and a body size of 1-5/8x1-3/4".

Since V=I*R, R=4.5 ohms and V=125VAC: I=27.8A. This seems like a lot of current if I use the 120VAC source to energize the coil? I'm guessing I would need a current limiting resistor too in order to bring I down to 15mA or less... The specs on the radioshack relay are kind of limited, so I could be wrong?
 
Thanks Wayne. The spec being a typo makes sense :lol: I'll pick up a relay from Frys locally. I think they carry a good selection to choose from. Too bad there isn't a pre-made module that does this, cause it would be handy and much smaller than the deep junction box I'm probably going to use.

I suspect the 4.5 ohm coil resistance spec is wrong or a typo.

these two have coils in the 3000 ohm to 4000 ohm range
http://www.allelectronics.com/make-a-store...-RELAY/-/1.html
http://www.allelectronics.com/make-a-store...2-AMPS/-/1.html
 
WayneW said:
If I understand your desires correctly, this is pretty easy. You need a relay with a 110VAC coil and 15A DPDT contacts. Radio Shack #: 275-217 is close, but only 10A, but that may be enough for ya.

Wire one of the NO contacts in series with the coil. Wire your push button (manual start) across the NO contacts (that are in series with the coil). Use the other set of contacts NC/C/NO to control power to the outlet/devices you are trying to control.

So, you effectively have
110VAC -> coil -> NO contacts -> 110VAC or
110VAC -> coil -> push button -> 110VAC

When power is applied, the relay will NOT energize due to the NO contacts. But when you push the button (simulating the contacts) the coil energizes. Then the contacts relieve you from having to hold the button forever, until the power fails again.
 
Hi Wayne,
 
Thanks for your post, i'm working on something similar here in the UK, i have a 10a dpdt 8-pin non-latching relay and a momentary push button switch, but i'm struggling to get the above principle to work, not sure where each wire goes. Please could you help me understand how i can contact the push button to the relay. I'm new to electronics. Many thanks, Dipesh
 
Some possible solutions:
 
1. A magnetic on/off switch:
 
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01IEM2DSM
 
2. A remote control outlet.  Similar to what Pete_c suggested.  But no modification needed.  Most of them default to off if the power fails.
 
https://www.amazon.com/s?k=remote+control+outlet&ref=nb_sb_noss_2
 
3. A manual reset GFCI.  Like the remote control outlet, these require a manual reset after a power failure.
 
https://www.amazon.com/s?i=aps&k=manual%20reset%20gfci%20&ref=nb_sb_noss_2&url=search-alias%3Daps
 
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