Perimeter security system

Hi Guys,
 
I'm looking for something to secure the perimeter of my house, i got about 1000ft of chain link fence around my property that i would like to detect if someone crosses and connect it to my home alarm.
Does anyone have an idea? Cameras are not a solution in my mind because i want a real time detection and not to see someone in a hoodie the next day.
 
Thanks,
Bob

There was a similar discussion about how to do this a while back in this thread.  My take is that there aren't any good solutions that aren't very expensive.  The least expensive way to go is probably to set up a series of infrared beams.  But they can be prone to false alarms from animals or other things besides intruders.

Security warning stickers are 90% of most security systems.
 
Use some insulator looking fence clips, some copper runs into pipe going in the ground, threaten the kids to actually use it if they tattle to friends,   and put signs on it saying.... be creative!

Cameras can provide real-time detection.
 
But there are plenty of difficulties.

There are lots of solutions depending on your budget, but unless your budget is over $30K, then there is going to be compromises.  There are a few cheaper systems now that use a wall of IR beams, and use logic to tell if its a person or leaf that broke the beam.  Your best bet is to just get a large German Shepard and let it run in the back yard. You'll know when there is an intruder.

Cameras can't be a solution, video analytic that doesn't cost thousands would be useless for outdoor use.
I guess i agree about the beams, on top of it weather would cause a lot of false alarms when thinking about it.
 
I found this product http://www.rbtec.com/Perimeter-Fence-Alarm-System which seems from ADI to be cost effective in the lower thousands, does anyone have experience with it?

Without getting into fiber based solutions or putting in a ton of PE beams and towers....
 
http://www.flairsecurity.com/products/perimeter-security-sensors
 
There's plenty of other solutions, but you need to be able to control the space first, then offer detection. I've done outdoor systems for years on high value and risk items and there's always going to be false alarm problem to consider.

DEL i agree, i'm not looking for something bullet proof but the solution in your link look like something cheap and unprofessional almost Chinese sensor... have you used it?

this is going nowhere

bobmiller said:

DEL i agree, i'm not looking for something bullet proof but the solution in your link look like something cheap and unprofessional almost Chinese sensor... have you used it?

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Taut line detection, very common. Same goes with vibration...both should be installed for an effective system. Think about it, you're wanting to put detection on a movable and flexible item, what do you want it to look like?
 
Unless you want to spend up to or over $2K per "side" of the perimeter and do a lot of conduit work...it's what's out there. There's also leaky (ported) coax systems and fiber taut line detection, not to mention ground based radar and MW setups.
 
A functional perimeter detection system is easily 5 digits in materials alone. You can't use PIR or other similar detection technologies unless you can have the pyro "die" against a hard object. Just won't work.
 
Video and analytics aren't going to be had at the consumer level.
 
As I said, I've installed these on mission critical sites and flight lines, in conjunction with other technologies and detection methods, and they work.

As already mentioned, I'll say that price becomes the biggest issue here because there are systems that are designed for this. There are two that come to my mind - one is a fiber based system and the other is copper/dry-contact system. Both systems detect disturbances in the fence, such as climbing or cutting. The problem is that these systems are designed for critical infrastructure type installations - think power plants, airports and/or border protection... so they aren't priced for residental use.

You can install an outdoor home security camera.Of course, it is very essential to determine the view angle you need from your outdoor camera. Keep in mind that the wider the view the better since the more camera will record. This can help you see all angles of the perimeter of your house and yard.

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You can install an outdoor home security camera.Of course, it is very essential to determine the view angle you need from your outdoor camera. Keep in mind that the wider the view the better since the more camera will record. This can help you see all angles of the perimeter of your house and yard.

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BUT also be aware of the lows of optics.  Yes a wide angle lens lets you see "more" but it also effectively increases the distance you are seeing it from. Get a fisheye lens and you will see everything, but you will likely be able to make out very little, especially in low light.

What if you were to place multiple motion sensors inside the perimeter and set them for say about 15 seconds On time. Then with a HA controller detected if two MS units agreed. Pairs of MS would have to be pointing back at each other covering the same areas.
 
I wonder if a MS "second opinion" style system logic would be more reliable and have less triggers by cold winds and snow blasts?

Nope. PIR or other strictly motion based items are going to false at some point, period. There's a reason why they're typically only used to supplement cameras (or trigger a PTZ preset) or to assist security personnel in responding and evaluating a situation. The issue with either cross zoning or paralleling detectors is now you created the requirement for a long duration fault to generate an alarm (negating protection) or in the case of a cross zone pair or pool, you will constantly generate the trouble before the double knock occurs.
 
Example: http://www.protechusa.com/Products/documents/XL2Med1.pdf
We have a zoo that has these set up and cross zoned and looking at only "controlled" spaces. They false. These are literally top of the line PIR based units. Same thing goes for the Redwalls and their contemporaries.
 
Next we move into something like scanning laser units, say a RLS-3060 or similar, they have a very narrow pattern and are designed as a single ended replacement for the old PE beams and similar.
 
http://www.optexamerica.com/sites/default/files/resource-uploads/RLS-3060SH.pdf
 
Put it this way, for one of those units, you're exceeding the cost that most have invested in their entire system. A single PIR unit is a huge dent in the budget and still not false alarm proof.
 
Not to sound crass, but dealing with these systems, security and alarms, your common alarm or HA/security panel does NOT have the intelligence to discriminate and effectively process the alarms to be useful. Even large dollar access control systems don't have the HP without a lot of programming and thought.