HAI OMNI Pro II , UPB and motion

Hello
I'm a new poster but have read along the way.  I have an OMNI Pro II with version 3.0, not the programable one.  I have a couple dozen windows, 6 doors, about a dozen

motion sensors, 2 keypads and a omnitouch. I also have several UPB light switches. Im able to communicate via PC Access thru RS-232.  I didnt install the smoke

detectors yet, still need to buy the EOL Power supervision relay (not sure if I can get around it).  I have a couple questions. 1) the system doesnt power on the

keypads if I power on the 9 motion sensors using Aux power.  Disconnect motion sensors and all comes back.  motion sensors only take 5mA so I should be nowhere near

the 1A limit.  2) Since i'm using computer I am using j2 serial connection.  That leaves me with J1, J3 and the J7(x10) to connect the UPB moduler line.  I have tried

all 3 but perhaps i didnt click something correctly in PC Access or reset the module correctly(which im sure I had).  is there a step by step using none USB UPB

module?  3) Is there a more detailed installation manual using the PC Access that I could review?  Thanks much

Welcome to the Cocootech forum Flygirlsguy2.
 
Can you take a picture of your HAI OPII Pro board?
 
What version of PCA (HAI PC Access) program do you have?
 
Do you have the latest copy of Upstart.  You can utilize this program to look at your UPB switches.
 
Was this all working at one time? (2 keypads, Omnitouch, 9 motion sensors, 24 windows and doors).
 
Is the Omnitouch (3.5" or 5.7") an older one that connects to the panel or a newer one that uses an  IP connection?

First, you might want to upgrade FW to 3.14.  For you it means buying a new chip, but its only about $50, and the changes between 3.0 and 3.14 are pretty significant.
 
Second, you problem with the motion detectors is from a short in your wiring, or a miss wire. That is why it won't start with motion detectors wired.
 
Third, get that EOL relays and smoke detectors wired. A fire is more likely to cause your death than a burglary. Yes, I know you have other smoke alarms. 
 
Also, if you are trying to connect a UPB interface to the panel, buy the Leviton/HAI which comes with a cable. Plug and play.  I've heard others can work, but they never have for my.  Use your other UPB interface connected to a PC with UPStart.

pete_c said:

Welcome to the Cocootech forum Flygirlsguy2.
 
Can you take a picture of your HAI OPII Pro board?
 
What version of PCA (HAI PC Access) program do you have?
 
Do you have the latest copy of Upstart.  You can utilize this program to look at your UPB switches.
 
Was this all working at one time? (2 keypads, Omnitouch, 9 motion sensors, 24 windows and doors).
 
Is the Omnitouch (3.5" or 5.7") an older one that connects to the panel or a newer one that uses an  IP connection?

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I have dealer software 2.4a.  I do have upstart version 5.1 and have used in to setup switches but it's PC Access I'm unable to make work with the UPB switches.  I see a later version 7 is available, I have loaded it.  I had already setup the UPB using UPstart as best I could.  This new version I will have to look at over time to see what the differences if any will help me with the present issue.
Yes but the motion sensors I have only recently added.
The omni touch is the 3.5" model 35A00-1.
I was unable to take a photo, is there something in particular your looking for on the board?

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have dealer software 2.4a.  I do have upstart version 5.1 and have used in to setup switches but it's PC Access I'm unable to make work with the UPB switches.

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Both the PCA application and Upstart let you check for updates.  I would personally update to the most current with both.   Note that when you update PCA it will ask if you want to update firmware to the panel and other stuff.  You have a board that requires a chip upgrade as stated earlier.  It would be beneficial to upgrade the firmware chip on your OPII panel. 
 
Here I utilize a separate serial UPB PIM to look at the UPB devices with Upstart.  When you run Upstart does the application show connectivity to the UPB PIM.  You will need to see that before you can see the UPB switches.  Let us know what you see?  You can manually configure the serial or USB access to the UPB PIM.

 

Yes but the motion sensors I have only recently added.
The omni touch is the 3.5" model 35A00-1.
I was unable to take a photo, is there something in particular your looking for on the board?

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You may have some sort of short as indicated earlier with your motion detectors.  Disconnect them for the time being. 
 
Relating to the picture I just wanted to validate the model of the OPII board.
 
Baby steps for now....
 
Lets start first with the motion detectors.  Did you wire each one separately?  Are you able to check the wires for each motion sensor? 

ano said:

First, you might want to upgrade FW to 3.14.  For you it means buying a new chip, but its only about $50, and the changes between 3.0 and 3.14 are pretty significant.
 
Second, you problem with the motion detectors is from a short in your wiring, or a miss wire. That is why it won't start with motion detectors wired.
 
Third, get that EOL relays and smoke detectors wired. A fire is more likely to cause your death than a burglary. Yes, I know you have other smoke alarms. 
 
Also, if you are trying to connect a UPB interface to the panel, buy the Leviton/HAI which comes with a cable. Plug and play.  I've heard others can work, but they never have for my.  Use your other UPB interface connected to a PC with UPStart.

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I will look into the firmware 3.14 but would it cause PC Access to not work?  I use to buy thru Hometech in Cupertino but it's gone under.  Slim pickings around here for the DYI. 
You were right, i checked them one by one and found a short. 
I have the HAI 36A00-1.  It works with upstart to the pc.  I just dont see in the paper work that I see which Jx connector to install it to and them what in PC Access I should do to get the communication started.

I will look into the firmware 3.14 but would it cause PC Access to not work?

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no. 
 
As previously stated there are some major differences between your current version of firmware and most current version.
 

checked them one by one and found a short.

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good news on fixing your PIR's.
 
Are you able to communicate to the HAI 36A00-1 with Upstart?  Do you have an HAI serial cable to use with it?
 
Do you have a spare UPB PIM?
 
Its much easier to leave the HAI 36A00-1 connected to the OPII panel and use a spare PIM with a laptop or desktop.
 

Since i'm using computer I am using j2 serial connection.

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Its easier to utilize PCA via a network connection. 
 
Do you have your OPII board configured and connected to the home network?
 
The step by step configuration of the network interface is easy with the keypad or PCA with the serial cable connected.
 

I also have several UPB light switches

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Are these UPB light switches HAI, SA or PCS?
 
Best to start the UPB stuff with the use of the Upstart software. 

Ano,

You mentioned buying an upgraded 3.14 chip.

Are you aware of anyone that has them available?

I have 2.16a, and would love to get a 4.0b version, but can't find one anywhere... at this point, I'd buy any version above 2.16 that I can get...

I did send a 2.16a chip to ASIHome as they stated they have a deal worked out with Leviton to have them flashed, but there's no timeline committed to when/if they can get it done as they can only do it in batches. So I have to wait for them to have more people send them old chips before they have enough to make a batch.

Ano,

You mentioned buying an upgraded 3.14 chip.

Are you aware of anyone that has them available?

I have 2.16a, and would love to get a 4.0b version, but can't find one anywhere... at this point, I'd buy any version above 2.16 that I can get...

I did send a 2.16a chip to ASIHome as they stated they have a deal worked out with Leviton to have them flashed, but there's no timeline committed to when/if they can get it done as they can only do it in batches. So I have to wait for them to have more people send them old chips before they have enough to make a batch.

I have a programmer here some place that used a parallel port and Windows 95/98.  Will look for it.

I have an OMNI Pro II panel and want to add a few UPB switches.  I have a HAI UPB PIM however no cable.  It is my understanding that one needs an RJ12 to RJ12 cable with the Tx and Rx wires reversed.  Is there a supplier for such a cable?  Failing that is there a pin out of a 6 six conductor RJ12 to RJ12 diagram somewhere?  I found a "reverse" RJ12 to RJ12 cable however the pin out shows just 1 to 6, 2 to 5, 3 to 4 etc.  No Tx  to Rx.  My preference is to get a known good cable from someone.
 
Thank you,