VeriLock Windows anyone?

We are starting a home renovation project in the spring and will be replacing all the windows and doors.  I'll also be installing a new panel, thinking Elk M1 Gold since I have a lot of expereince with these.  I can pull wire or go wireless.  Drilling the windows may void my warranty so I am concerned about that.  Anderson makes a window with built in Honeywell sensors (5800).  These windows detect open/close as well as locked/unlocked status which sounds cool.  Any expereince with these out there?
 
http://www.eaglewindow.com/eaglewindow/files/de/decec614-6db3-4a62-b6ab-93caf39bb13c.pdf
 
Thx!

I think if you can run the wires that is the most future proof. I went wireless and the original sensors I used have started failing due to battery life, replacements are no longer made and the batteries are not replaceable. On top of that Elk no longer supports the wireless receiver I use, meaning I need to swap that out to upgrade firmware.

I think wired sensors have a longer support lifetime. So if you can, make decisions based on the next 10-20 years... If the reason you are worried about drilling is because you don't want surface mount sensors, the tane pills are very unobtrusive for surface mount. That is what i have been replacing my wireless with...

All that being said if you are going to do wireless these look pretty cool, I like that they have standard batteries, nothing proprietary...

I've worked on the Andersen's. They're nice and report a lot of items that can't be integrated on most of the lower panels, even Honeywell's.
 
Wireless isn't a lifetime solution. It's generally a solution until the next panel replacement, then there's a ton of items to consider at that point, but it increases the overall cost of system ownership.
 
In the case of Andersen, they only void the warranty on the affected components. If you use a recessed contact, it would affect the sill and the bottom wood sash. Andersen is one of the more progressive manufacturers. The Vinyl guys, not so much. Marvin, Integrity and Pella vary, but have been very similar.
 
Personally, I would talk to the manufacturers, get a boilerplate statement, then drill traditional contacts if the sashes and sills are wood.

Thx guys for the replies. I'm going to investigate the Verilock option further, if the cost isn't too outrageous I'll probably give them a try...I really like the fact that they report locked status vs just a not-closed status. It will be a few months before I do anything so I have time to digest it all. I'm also investigating door locks, tstats, and a lot of other sensors as well....should be a fun project.

VeriLock sensors for patio doors bring home security technology to a new level. The only home security sensors built directly into windows and patio doors, VeriLock wireless integrated security sensors are hidden from view and can not only tell if a windows or patio door is open, but also tell if it is unlocked. Existing home security systems monitor more info if a window is opened or closed, but to achieve that, third-party companies generally drill into the jambs to install sensors on window and door frames.

I'm a big fan of wireless sensors, but an add-on sensor lets it be easily replaced if you switch brands or there is a problem. If you get these windows then eventually switch to a panel that doesn't support Honeywell sensors, you are out of luck.  The hidden nature sounds nice, but honestly wireless sensors are so small now-a-days, is that really a problem?  And locked status?  Why someone close a window but not lock it?  How many burglars have you heard of that go window to window to see if they are locked or not?  Burglars enter windows in one of two ways; 1) The window is open or 2) a rock.
 
This seems a lot like a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.

ano said:

I'm a big fan of wireless sensors, but an add-on sensor lets it be easily replaced if you switch brands or there is a problem. If you get these windows then eventually switch to a panel that doesn't support Honeywell sensors, you are out of luck.  The hidden nature sounds nice, but honestly wireless sensors are so small now-a-days, is that really a problem?  And locked status?  Why someone close a window but not lock it?  How many burglars have you heard of that go window to window to see if they are locked or not?  Burglars enter windows in one of two ways; 1) The window is open or 2) a rock.
 
This seems a lot like a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.

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They provide a lot more information to a host system than the OEM add-on retrofit sensors. There's a lot that can be gained from the unlocked/locked and position of the sash itself.


Most common application of the lock/unlock sense would be to bypass a detector or zone with a system armed or to swap to something like a security screen instead of the window contact as the form of protection.

Can anyone confirm that these Andersen Verilock transmiters work with the Elk M1XRF2H receiver?
 
Andersen says they are compatible with Honeywell 5800 controls.  Elk support says they may work, and they have not tested the product yet.
 
http://www.elkproducts.com/product-catalog/elk-m1xrf2h-m1-wireless-receiver-for-honeywell-transmitters

They work, you need to pay attention to the loops.
 
For a boilerplate, they're officially untested, but generally Honeywell RF is pretty cut and dry

Thanks, DEL. Much appreciated.

Can you elaborate on 'pay attention to the loops'?

Each Honeywell device has an ESN and a loop number associated with it. Generally speaking, loop 4 is always the tamper. Many times people go to learn in the devices and inadvertently learn in the tamper and not the detection loop.
 
Docs spell out the loop numbers.

Thanks!

I wish I still lived in CT, so I could hire you.