Installing a home automation would spoil the look of my house as it may involve a lot of wiring and

kripalikutir

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Hello Everyone,
I am looking to automate by home, in terms of Lighting & sensors, but the problem is that i am layman in terms of Automation.
Can anyone please assist / guide me on the above concern raised regarding Home Automation.
 
Thanks in advance..
 
Regards,
Kripali K
 
Welcome to Cocoontech Kripali.
 
Have a look at the wiring 101 stuff here.
 
Depending on what you want to do you do not have to wire much if you choose to.
 
My UPB powerline light switches only needed to be installed in the wall boxes substituting the older legacy switches.
 
I added low voltage wiring here for networking, alarm stuff, environmental sensors and sound stuff.
 
These days you can go wireless for much stuff.  My preferences have always been wired. 
 
I built one chase in the 2 story home and ran wires to the attic down in a two story and from the basement up to the main floor.
 
The only wires seen were in the attic and basement.
 
kripalikutir said:
Can anyone please assist / guide me on the above concern raised regarding Home Automation.
 
Find an integration contractor that serves your area.  Talk with them about what's possible in your area.  
 
And also learn how to do drywall work, cause... there's always gonna be some drywall work... :)
 
Really today there has never been a better time to not have to add wires. Alarm wireless sensors work great, Somfy blinds are wireless, UPB uses existing wiring and no new wires, and there is Zwave and Zigbee and Bluetooth and Wi-Fi. All wireless. Most home automation today is completely wireless. And it works great. Not only is this because existing homeowners don't want to add wires, like you, but installers don't like to bother with wires either. Its time consuming for them and not as profitable.
 
That is not exactly true. Automation solutions come in both wired and wireless options. The wired would require some electrical and drilling work, but the wireless options usually retrofit well without needing anything or altering the aesthetics of the home (or office). Like any other situation, wired is more reliable and consistent, but wireless options are catching up. One  company BuildTrack (www.buildtrack.in) offers many options along these lines that cover a broad range of automation needs. There are others also who offer subsets of home automation solutions.
 
SeemaRuturaj said:
Like any other situation, wired is more reliable and consistent
That isn't always true either.  Over the last 15 years I've has a combination of wired and wireless sensors, including three wireless sensors on outdoor gates and temps can easily get to 115 here in the shade.  I've only had two failures, both wired. The wires can be broken due to shifting, workmen in the attic, even roof rates which love to eat wires. Wireless, if installed correctly just works. Yes batteries need replacement after 10 years but I have never had a wireless sensor fail yet. If wireless fails, just pop the sensor off, reprogram a new one and your done in 10 minutes.  Finding a problem in a wire takes MUCH longer.
 
ano said:
 Not only is this because existing homeowners don't want to add wires, like you, but installers don't like to bother with wires either. Its time consuming for them and not as profitable.
Furthest thing from the truth. The main reason why RF is installed is the market and HO's are not informed about the install process (drilling, snaking, dust, etc.) and want the instant gratification. For every new rough-in job, there's at least 2 retrofit jobs. Wireless tech has improved, I will say that, but it's pigeonholing the end user.
 
Wiring a system is much more profitable compared to adding a bunch of bridges, RF devices and interfaces to 10 different systems and hoping the system runs for 5-10 years before it's obsolete or unsupported. Bidding a job at an hour labor per point and the materials, I can on average clear $75 or more per device wired vs. half that going RF. The main difference how long it takes to get a system up and running, not cost. Most HO's go wireless because they don't know better or it's what the "integrator" (laughable term half the time) pushes them into to get the RMR model running faster. Cut the margin closer on the install to get more RMR accounts in per day, that's what the pros push for in a strict RMR model, but there are others that sell the hardwired job and push for a PSA agreement on the install which is far more lucrative than a monitoring or strict service contract.
 
As far as which is more reliable, I'd disagree and say either method has an equivalent source of possible problems and troubleshooting maladies.
 
Wired is pretty much cut and dry if there's an issue. Either the copper is good or it's not, grounds and shorts are easy to find. Intermittent issues will make anyone pull their hair out no matter what the host system and method.
 
I've yet to have a RF system have batteries last 10 years (with the exception being long life sensors, another animal altogether). 4-5 on a CR123 or 1/2AA lithium are typical. Coin cells are about 2-3 years. RF issues are far more difficult to diagnose or replicate. I had an account where their wireless panic button worked perfectly for about 9 years. Batteries replaced and tested fine. Randomly it would send a batch of signals, no apparent reason. Not a battery, so that's a $50 repair (replacement) right there. Same with transmitters. They work great, until they just act on their own....and at that rate, what do you start pointing to? There's NOTHING external to troubleshoot, so it's a question of what changed (RF interference) or is the device bad....which starts getting expensive fast to shotgun parts at to make the issue go away (assuming no receiver or strange panel issue). You know how many GE/ITI wireless devices I've tossed over the years due to the tamper switch issue or the antenna coil issue (VERY common with these devices).
 
Overall, a wired system may take longer to install, start to finish, but from an integrator's and homeowner's standpoint, the ROI is greater and cost of ownership is generally half or greater.
 
Wireless for home automation. It can always be a work in progress as your investment grow, you gain new knowledge and technology expands. It can be a rewarding and consuming hobby.
 
Security should be wired and MS units should be placed in different locations to make things work properly. It's should not be a hobby so much.
 
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