Help using viewsonic v210 as a remote

syous

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As I am still trying to configure the hardware list to buy, I have come across the viewsonic v210 as an option for a remote. I have seen that some have been using this tablet and was wondering if you could help me make a decision on wheather to buy it or not.

The functionality I am interested in is basically to have a nice portable screen with a GUI. I know that this unit can do everything I am looking for but had the following question:

1. For those that use this, or the v110 version, how happy are you with it? Anything I need to be aware of?
2. I am looking to put a single PC in the closet directly behind where my wall mounted touch screen will be. This PC will only run the HA software and drive my touchscreen. Can I also use the V210 with this PC or do I need a dedicated PC for cqc/hs? I want to be able to use both the touchscreen and v210 simultaneously.
3. while not in use as a remote, can I have the v210 show pictures from a network share? Like a digital picture frame? I have seen this ability from Maestro plugin for HS but am not sure if mainloby or CQC can do the same as well.
4. Does anyone have a better solution/suggestion fro around the same price as the v210 ($900)? A newer model, different brand, etc..

As always, appreciate all your help.
syous
 
At this point, for $900, I'd spend another $100 and get a UMPC like the Samsung Q1 instead of a Viewsonic. It would be infinitely better as an automation client, since it can run the standard CQC Interface Viewer. So you'll get full graphical client power. And it's a separate node on the networt, not an RDP client like the Viewsonic, so you don't tie up the main session on your automation server in order to use the tablet, and you don't have the graphical quality/speed limitations of RDP.
 
Thanks for the quick reply Mr. Roddey. (or do you like to go by Dean?)

The main reason I am looking at the v210 is the size of the screen. It will be much nicer as an electronic picture frame. The only other units I had seen with this size screen were full tablet PCs starting around $1700.

From your answer, I take it that this would tie up my PC. Any other suggestions?

I have also been looking at refurbished Fujitsu 3500 units on ebay for around $300.

syous
 
Well, my friends usually call me Stupid, at least since I confronted them about the stuff they used to call me. But Dean will do if we are going to be formal I guess :)

If you are looking for something to wall mount, then perhaps should consider just buying a standard touch screen, and using a Cat5 based KVM extender to extend the standard video/USB of the automation controller out to that spot. That will be about the same cost, offer even more screen real estate (15" Planar is about $650, probably $200 for the extender), and will not depend on wireless to work. You can always put an old monitor in the closet and flip over to it when you need to do local mainteance on that machine in the closet.

Or maybe when you said picture frame, you weren't meaning mounted on the wall?
 
Dean,
Are your friends Einsteins or just don't have a clue? How could anyone call you anything but Mr. Dean? Anyway, thanks for the all the help here and on other forums.

I think you forgot that, in addition to the wall mounted screen, I was hoping to use the viewsonic as a secondary, portable unit. That was why I was wondering if I could use both with one PC? By the way, I have decided on the planar for that spot. The reason I am putting the PC in the closet near the wall mount spot is to avoid having to buy the extender.

Let me know if that changes anything.
Thanks again
Syous
 
If you want to use the regular login session from the server to drive the wall mount, then you don't want an RDP client since it'll take over that output unless you buy some extra software to make it support more than one. There's a bit of of a dearth of mid-sized options.

NOBU has some options: http://www.nobu-usa.com/products.html
 
Dean,

I can't affort 4500 for that Nobu tablet. Why did you do that to me? I looked at it and loved how it looked. Then I did a google surch and found out how much it costs. Now I am crying.

thanks anyway.

Anyone else with options around 1K for an 8 to 10inch remote/tablet pc?

Thanks
syous
 
Are you sure you didn't see a price for the old 12" version? The 12" was less than that, so I can't imagine that the 8" one is even more than the old one used to be. I sent them an e-mail to find out what the price is. They only sell through dealers, so you might have found a dealer selling the older, more expensive, one for a very high markup or something.
 
Thanks yet again Dean.
Please do pass on the pricing if you get it. I will also try to see if I can find a dealer.

syous
 
syous said:
Dean,

I can't affort 4500 for that Nobu tablet. Why did you do that to me? I looked at it and loved how it looked. Then I did a google surch and found out how much it costs. Now I am crying.

thanks anyway.

Anyone else with options around 1K for an 8 to 10inch remote/tablet pc?

Thanks
syous

Retail price for the 12" touchscreen tablet PC is $2295. You can call Nobu for dealer pricing.

Also available mid-December is the N8, the latest development from Nobu. Below is some information from the latest Nobu newsletter:

The N8
The new 8" panel is a fully functional inwall touchscreen PC with all necessary input/output ports to control any subsystem or automation hardware in your home or office. Our goal with the new design is to satisfy a large demand for a smaller inwall touchpanel as well as to create the most robust, powerful, and visually appealing touchscreen on the planet. We designed the N8 without a fan because we wanted to eliminate noise and also to eliminate possible points of failure which is also why we will offer the high performance industrial Embedded Disk Card (iEDC) hard drive as an alternative to a standard 5400RMP hard drive. The N8 will have a fanless 1.0 GHz Intel Celeron M processor. The N8 will be available with Windows XP Professional. We can also sell the N8 without an operating system for special applications.

Product Description:
N8WTS10 - 8" Inwall touchscreen with 1.0GHz fanless Intel. XP Professional or No OS. 4GB iEDC (Solid state, Wide Temp Industrial Embedded Disk)

N8Frame5_WinXP_470x334.jpg

  • LV Intel Celeron M 1.0GHz Fanless Processor
  • Intel 852GM + ICH4 Chipset
  • HD: 4Gig Industrial iEDC (Embedded Disk Card)
  • Wi-Fi 54 g/b (optional)
  • Fast Ethernet port
  • 2xCOM (2xRS232, 1xRS232/422/485)
  • 1 PS/2 K/B +M
  • Front panel 2W speakers and mic
  • External Audio Line Out / Mic
  • 3 x USB 2.0
  • VGA out, Dualscreen CRT (15pin D-sub, max. resolution 2548x1536)
  • Polyester laminate finger touchscreen
  • LCD Display - Specs:
  • -- Contrast Ratio - 400:1
  • -- Brightness - 400 cd/m~
  • -- Operating Temp ~10~C - 60~C
  • -- Format: (Widescreen 16x9) 800 x 480 with 60° viewing angle
  • Power: 110VAC - 240VAC
This 8" panel will retail for around $3,625. Prices are subject to change slightly before launching in December. A version of the N8 with XP Embedded will also be available and will retail for around $3300. Again, you can call for dealer pricing.

Why use the Nobu panel ?? Read on...

All other panels have one or more of the following characteristics:

* Other panels are DC powered.

This means that you most likely need to purchase the power supply separately (an extra $75-$100+). Retrofit becomes difficult because low voltage prewire is required. Even if the unit comes with a power supply you will most likely need to provide a separate, higher wattage power supply to compensate for power loss due to distance & resistance issues inherent in low voltage wiring scenarios (especially if you plan to attached additional powered devices to the panel; USB, serial, etc). Some manufacturers actually attach their ac/dc power supply to the back of the unit and cram it into the wall cavity. That's like parading an entire marching band around the home begging for product failure, fire, and lawsuit.

Why Nobu is better: It is directly wired with a universal 110-240VAC. The power terminal is protected/enclosed with a proper & legal NM-B romex connector for NEC and NFPA code compliance. This not only makes installation safe and legal but it also makes retrofit projects simple. (The wireless adapter helps ease installation for retrofit projects as well).

* Other Panels may be FCC or UL certified but not specifically certified or tested to be installed into a residential wall environment.

Other panel providers like to claim that they are FCC/UL certified. They may be certified, but only for use on an engineer's benchtop. Some panels are approved for Industrial use only and not FCC Class B approved for use in a residential environment and thus, not electromagnetically compliant for use in a home/residence. This excerpt was taken directly from the user's manual of a competing panel: FCC NOTICE: This equipment has been tested and found to comply with the limits for a Class A digital device, pursuant to part 15 of the FCC Rules. These limits are designed to provide reasonable protection against harmful interference when the equipment is operated in a commercial environment. This equipment generates, uses, and can radiate radio frequency energy and, if not installed and used in accordance with the instruction manual, may cause harmful interference to radio communications. Operation of this equipment in a residential area is likely to cause harmful interference in which case the user will be required to correct the interference at his own expense. You are cautioned that any change or modifications to the equipment not expressly approve by the party responsible for compliance could void your authority to operate such equipment.

Why Nobu is better:Our N8 inwall touchpanel wasn't just tested on a workbench in an air conditioned lab, it was specifically UL and FCC-B (EMC) tested and approved to be installed safely and legally into a residential wall environment.

* Other Panels have moving parts (i.e. fan(s) or hard drive ).

Most touchpanels have a hard drive. Hard drives make a noticeable amount of noise and generate additional heat which creates another potential point of failure. Under normally cool and pleasant operating conditions, hard drives have a reliable lifespan of 3-5 years. When you put a hard drive inside of a hot, fanless PC the degradation of the magnetic platter speeds up exponentially. Fans are decidedly too noisy and present yet another possible point of failure. As fans operate and age they build up a coat of dust. Once the dust builds up the blades become unbalanced causing uneven wear, vibration, and annoying noise. Anyone with a computer at home or work should be familiar with this problem. Some manufacturers claim that their touchpanels are "fanless" when in fact the processor may not have a fan but the case has 1 or more fans.

Why Nobu is better: The N8 comes standard with a high speed, industrial wide temperature, solid state flash memory device with advanced 'wear-level algorithm' read/write abilities. This unit has NO fans or any other moving parts.

* Other panels have a weak operating temperature threshold.

Other panels have a maximum rated operating temperature of around 45C-50C(113F - 122F) which is lower in temp than a cup of coffee. Temperatures are positively going to reach higher than that inside of a wall cavity especially in hotter climates like AZ or SoCal.

Why Nobu is better: Its operating temperature threshold is 70C(158F) and comes with Watchdog and thermal monitoring features. The industrial-grade construction of the motherboard allows the system to endure the continuous operation in hostile environments where stability and reliability are basic requirements. System dependability of this unit is enhanced by its built-in watchdog timer, a special industrial feature not commonly seen on other motherboards. The watchdog timer makes the system auto-reset if it stops to work for a period of time.

* Other manufacturers cut corners on internal components.

Other manufacturers have a tendency to draw your attention to the $$ and not so much to the quality of their components. Most use the cheapest (usually lowest quality) components that they can dig up on the Internet. They like to use the cheapest and smallest amount of memory that they can get away with.

Why Nobu is better: The hard drive is a high speed, high temperature, solid state flash memory device with advanced 'wear-level algorithm' read/write abilities. It comes with an Intel processor and at least a half gig of DDR266 Kingston(lifetime warranty) memory.

At first you may have a little bit of sticker shock however when you factor in the above mentioned features / qualities you can see that the N8 is worth every penny. It's been my experience that when the customer is presented with the facts contained herein they are easily convinced to spend the extra money on quality, safety, and reliability which ultimately means fewer service calls, fewer headaches, happier customers, and more income in your pocket.

We've worked hard to make this panel a superstar and we would like to hear what you fellow Cocooners think about it.

Tyson
Nobuusa.com
[email protected]
 
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