M1 Questions

torgrimj

Member
I have been debating between the elk M1 and the Omni IIe, and have gone back and forth over the last couple of weeks.

I think I have decided on the M1, but I do have some questions before I order to ensure that I order the right stuff.

What I am looking at ordering is as follows:

M1G Starter Kit
Ethernet interface M1XEP
Serial/Tstat - M1XSP
Remote Sensor - M1XTSR
PRox Reader - M1PR (play time so I am not ordering extra cards yet)
X10PSC05 X10 Interface (I think I need this for existing X-10)

Some motion and Glass break sensors. Door contacts allready installed.

Questions are as follows:

1) Should I go with the Plug-in terminals?
2)What Int/Ext Siren would folks recommend.
3)Which TSTAT RCSTR40 or HAI122B
4)How do the accessories mount in the 14"Enclosure (do i need those circuit glide boards ?)

If I am correct, if I go with the HAI122B, I would need another M1XSP to connect my existing WGL800 X-10 Transceiver, or I could go with the TR40, and not need the extra M1XSP...


Thanks, if you need more info please let me know. Help/adive much appreciated

Jeff T.
 

Guy Lavoie

Active Member
A M1XSP can only either be used with a RCS TR40 or a WGL800 (or Insteon, etc), but cannot do more then one. You need a seperate M1XSP for each one of those uses.
 

Steve

Senior Member
1) Should I go with the Plug-in terminals?
2)What Int/Ext Siren would folks recommend.
3)Which TSTAT RCSTR40 or HAI122B
4)How do the accessories mount in the 14"Enclosure (do i need those circuit glide boards ?)
1. The M1 already has plug in terminals?
2. If you get the SYSG4 kit, it comes with a speaker which can be used as your indoor siren. For outdoor you should be able to use existing (if there is one), or any one of these. If you put it in the attic you can use something like the Elk-45. I just used old siren that was already there.
3. Can't help much with this but I hear RCS makes good products.
4. The accessories usually come with slides. There is only so much you can cram in the 14" can anyway, especially if using the glides. I have the XEP and XSP's mounted externally.
 

Spanky

Senior Member
It sounds like you are doing a pretty complete HA system. You may want to consider the 28" metal box instead of the 14" box. It gives you alot more room to put your toys in.

Welcome aboard. Let us know if we can help.
 

Mike

Senior Member
On the thermostat, I have a HAI 80B but I bought it in anticipation of getting a HAI system (and later decided on the Elk). I am happy with it, but I believe the Aprilaire (sp) is considered the 'best' of the ones that are supported.
 

Mike

Senior Member
Spanky said:
It sounds like you are doing a pretty complete HA system. You may want to consider the 28" metal box instead of the 14" box. It gives you alot more room to put your toys in.

Welcome aboard. Let us know if we can help.
Spanky is wise :D

I had added on and bought another 14" can and have regretted it and I was looking at replacing it with the larger one. I have a similar setup to what you are proposing but a few more expansions (a few cards and extra serial expanders).
 

un-wired

Active Member
What Int/Ext Siren would folks recommend.?

I like the DS-406 with self contained driver.

Which TSTAT RCSTR40 or HAI122B?

Nothing against HAI or RCS, but the 8870 seems to work smoother


How do the accessories mount in the 14"Enclosure (do i need those circuit glide boards)?

Depends on the unit, the M1XSP and XEP come in their own little boxes, you can mount those on the ELK-SWP or ELK-SWP3 brackets or on nylon standoffs on those brackets (ELK-SWNS1). The M1PR goes in the keypad. As was mentioned earlier you don't want the 14" panel with all those accessories, the ELK can be purchased without the metal can as the ELK-M1GK you then purchase the 28" ELK-SWB28 can seperately.

We offer a nice discount (I believe it's 7.5% right now) for all cocoon members, just use the word "cocoon" when you check out. If you decide to go with someone else check around the forums before ordering, Electron is fairly popular with the merchants and usually there are discounts or free shipping codes to be had.
 

torgrimj

Member
Nothing against the Aprilaire tstat, but does it not require a couple of extra pieces in order to make it work, thus making it more expensive? I think an 8811 Protocol adapter 8818 distibution panel is required.

Jeff
 

Sandpiper

Active Member
un-wired..........

What Int/Ext Siren would folks recommend.? I like the DS-406 with self contained driver.

The specs for this this siren says it pulls 1500 mA. However, the M1 siren output (output 2) is only rated for 1000 mA. Does this acutally work with the M1 without overloading output 2? Or do you use output 3?
 

lazyone

Member
Jeff is correct, you do need an 8811 and an 8818 for the Aprilaire Tstats. They are very nice though.

Also, why not buy an Insteon 2414s, which can do X-10 as well. You will need another M1XSP however.
 

un-wired

Active Member
Sandpiper
The DS-406 is in fact the wrong siren, it does draw too much power. For the ELK I would reccomend the ELK-150RT using output 2.


torgrimj
I believe we chased off all the ELK employess because its after 5pm on the East Coast, but the RCS thermostat is about $333.95 and the 8870 is $228.95. Add on the Protocol Adapter, or I believe you can also use the ELK-MB485 to convert to 485. I know it works for the Magic Module, and all it is doing is converting RS-232 to RS-485 for $63.95. The Aprilaire protocol adapter can take a single stat for $109.95.

The 8818 is for multiple stats.
 

toymaster458

Active Member
Spanky said:
It sounds like you are doing a pretty complete HA system. You may want to consider the 28" metal box instead of the 14" box. It gives you alot more room to put your toys in.

Welcome aboard. Let us know if we can help.
I am going to be extending into a second can. If you want things nice and neat looking you need the space.
 

Steve

Senior Member
I agree about needing a larger can - probably even bigger than the 28" if you want everything in the can. Just be aware that the XSP, XEP and I believe other modules come in nice surface mountable boxes. So, you can always just have the core components in the 14" can and neatly surface mount all the rest of the stuff. Elk also sells the enclosure box separately. Just another option....
 

toymaster458

Active Member
Steve said:
Just be aware that the XSP, XEP and I believe other modules come in nice surface mountable boxes.
As far as the XSP use a universal Mount ELK-SWP3 and then what I did on the XEP is use the Circuit Board Glides ELK-SWG and it will somewhat mount in the mid part of the 28" Can.
 

johnnynine

Active Member
un-wired said:
We offer a nice discount (I believe it's 7.5% right now) for all cocoon members, just use the word "cocoon" when you check out.
:D Ugh, I just received my Insteon stuff from SmartHome this week and didn't know about the discount. :(


Edit:
Oh wait, is SmartHomeUSA different than SmartHome?
 
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