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So I am ready to really start building up my music library, but I keep running into the issue if not being able to figure out the most efficient category structure. I have many singles, many albums, and most of them can belong to multiple categories. If anyone is willing to share their category structure, and explain if they are happy with it or not, that would be great. Thanks!
 
So I am ready to really start building up my music library, but I keep running into the issue if not being able to figure out the most efficient category structure. I have many singles, many albums, and most of them can belong to multiple categories. If anyone is willing to share their category structure, and explain if they are happy with it or not, that would be great. Thanks!

I have troubled over this as well . . I mean many of the blues tunes I own easily fall into a rock category and vice versa . .

. . have not implemented it yet (have tried small sample tests), but it would be nice to figure out a way to have any/all categories and just link the mp3s to different folders, ie: one category/folder "ALL" with the mp3s, then link the mp3s to other category/folders. ie: "ROCK" "JAZZ" or whatever . . but most 'locate music' functions in the software I've tried finds all links and double lists the tunes . .

Pete
 
Well for my library which is 99% from ripped CD's I have the following:

Christian
Classical
Folk
Instrumental
New Age
Oldies
Pop
Pop/Rock
Rock
Soft Rock
Soundtrack
Xmas
 
I just used the category they show up with when I pull the info from one of the online CD databases. (I used winamp to pull the song info and populate the extended MP3 info.
 
Generally I have my collection listed in separate directories for genre, then artist, album. Additionally I have a Singles directories in every Genre directory for those songs i had to have but either the album wasn't Worth anything or that artist didn't have an album.
Big Band
Christmas
Classical
Country - 0000-1999
Country - 2000-2099
Folk
Jazz
Misc
Movie Soundtracks
Musicals
New Age
Pop
R&B
Rock
By far the largest genre I have is Rock and I have to do something with it soon as it's getting a bit overwhelming. Maybe something like i did for the country genre but there would still have to be further separations. I was thinking of maybe a Metal or Arena Rock and soft rock. I just haven't come up with anything I really like yet.

These are just how i have them stored but most software will catalog further and almost every title I have would fit into more than one category. At least how I do it now lets me find things I know are there and I find it to be a good storage scenario.
 
I've never been able to get on top of my collection. I have about 21,000 songs - I used to use MusicMatch's supertagging to get them straight, but since Yahoo ripped that piece out, I have yet to find a good alternative. With that many songs, I need something as automatic and foolproof as possible.

Not to hijack the thread, but anyone know of any rock-solid good tools for doing this?

Then of course is the challenge of the iPods - everything needs to work through iTunes.
 
I too do genre, artist, album it's not perfect but maybe we will find a system that is???

I use Tag&Rename to manage them and ExactAudioCopy to rip them.
 
Thanks for the responses guys.

I guess I am going to have to keep playing around, and try the links suggestion.

The GodFather is one of the most recommended mp3 tag 'managers' out there. It's free, and supports tons of formats. I have tried it once, it does work well.
 
I have played around with this stuff a lot and have a way that I am mostly happy with, where I'm not happy is mostly a limitation of MP3 tags not support multiple genre per file tags and a way to tag songs with explicit lyrics (iTunes does it but you can't control it).

The main constraint I have is that I ONLY have mp3 files so if you are using other formats than my structure probably won't work.

Where the work is (for me anyway) is getting the genre right and the cover art in. I use CDeX to rip and it hooks into CDDB to get the tag information. I am very careful to get the genre (Alternative vs Alt. Rock vs Alternative Rock) and artist (REM vs R.E.M.) right at rip time. Also of interest is what to do about multi CD releases. I tag the track number on the second CD starting from the end of the first. That way when the CD is played the order is maintained. Be careful on this because online databases are really bad at getting spellings right (disk1, disc1, (Disc1), disk 1 etc).

I have a single folder called MP3 that is made up of folders filled with Artists - ABBA to ZZTop. Each one of the artist folders has a folder for each CD. The songs are labeled as Track#-SongTitle.mp3. This structure is mostly for me to be able to find things. CDeX does this for me (as do most other rippers). The software, iTunes and SlimServer make their own databases that don't care about this structure too much, it is mostly for humans looking for files.

When I started I had a haphazard collection of file names. I use a program called MP3/Tag Studio to rename the files based on the MP3 tags. It does a very nice job of batch renaming. It is also easy to set all of the tags of files in a given folder. Changing R.E.M into REM, or 'Beatles, The' into 'The Beatles'. This program is very competent but other tools are surpassing it.

The final problem that I've had to deal with is album art. If you want album art to show up on your HA pages or on your iPod you need to get art at the right resolution. What looks good on the iPod doesn't look so hot on a 1600x1200 screen. I look for resolutions of album art that are 300x300 or bigger since I am targeting an automation screen as well as an iPod.

I have chosen to put the album art in each mp3 AND as a folder.jpg. This makes the files a little bigger but I'm willing to do this to keep things simple. YMMV

I do most of downloading art by hand by surfing the web. There are tools out there that will surf your collection and download art from various sources like amazon. I have not been too happy with these tools though if you only have newer, popular music they should work. Even under those constraints, quality can be hit and miss. You'd be shocked at how bad the same CD cover looks from different sources, some are poor quality scans and others look like they came right out of PhotoShop.

I use iTunes to apply album art because it lets me drop a bitmap into a all of the files on an album just by selecting the songs, right click to Get Info and paste the image into the image box in the Get Info dialog.


One final thing that I've played with and really love is MusicIP Mixer. It is really cool because you can say that I like this song, say 'Rock and Roll Ain't Noise Pollution' and it will make a mix of songs that are 'like' it. You can control the mixes with many parameters. It comes up with mixes that are usually quite cool and you'll feel like you have a bigger collection because it pulls such cool stuff. This is where I wish explicit tags were standard because it will pull up something not so nice when the kids are listening. I'm surprised they haven't been bought by the big boys yet.
 
That's much like the new genius feature if the new iTunes that just came out. I have to say, based on initial tests I'm very impressed my it. I hope it's on tomorrows software update for the iPhone (it wasn't on the update for the touch... You probably have to buy the new one to get it).

It doesn't know all my music though... It has to be pretty well organized to work.

I have played around with this stuff a lot and have a way that I am mostly happy with, where I'm not happy is mostly a limitation of MP3 tags not support multiple genre per file tags and a way to tag songs with explicit lyrics (iTunes does it but you can't control it).

The main constraint I have is that I ONLY have mp3 files so if you are using other formats than my structure probably won't work.

Where the work is (for me anyway) is getting the genre right and the cover art in. I use CDeX to rip and it hooks into CDDB to get the tag information. I am very careful to get the genre (Alternative vs Alt. Rock vs Alternative Rock) and artist (REM vs R.E.M.) right at rip time. Also of interest is what to do about multi CD releases. I tag the track number on the second CD starting from the end of the first. That way when the CD is played the order is maintained. Be careful on this because online databases are really bad at getting spellings right (disk1, disc1, (Disc1), disk 1 etc).

I have a single folder called MP3 that is made up of folders filled with Artists - ABBA to ZZTop. Each one of the artist folders has a folder for each CD. The songs are labeled as Track#-SongTitle.mp3. This structure is mostly for me to be able to find things. CDeX does this for me (as do most other rippers). The software, iTunes and SlimServer make their own databases that don't care about this structure too much, it is mostly for humans looking for files.

When I started I had a haphazard collection of file names. I use a program called MP3/Tag Studio to rename the files based on the MP3 tags. It does a very nice job of batch renaming. It is also easy to set all of the tags of files in a given folder. Changing R.E.M into REM, or 'Beatles, The' into 'The Beatles'. This program is very competent but other tools are surpassing it.

The final problem that I've had to deal with is album art. If you want album art to show up on your HA pages or on your iPod you need to get art at the right resolution. What looks good on the iPod doesn't look so hot on a 1600x1200 screen. I look for resolutions of album art that are 300x300 or bigger since I am targeting an automation screen as well as an iPod.

I have chosen to put the album art in each mp3 AND as a folder.jpg. This makes the files a little bigger but I'm willing to do this to keep things simple. YMMV

I do most of downloading art by hand by surfing the web. There are tools out there that will surf your collection and download art from various sources like amazon. I have not been too happy with these tools though if you only have newer, popular music they should work. Even under those constraints, quality can be hit and miss. You'd be shocked at how bad the same CD cover looks from different sources, some are poor quality scans and others look like they came right out of PhotoShop.

I use iTunes to apply album art because it lets me drop a bitmap into a all of the files on an album just by selecting the songs, right click to Get Info and paste the image into the image box in the Get Info dialog.


One final thing that I've played with and really love is MusicIP Mixer. It is really cool because you can say that I like this song, say 'Rock and Roll Ain't Noise Pollution' and it will make a mix of songs that are 'like' it. You can control the mixes with many parameters. It comes up with mixes that are usually quite cool and you'll feel like you have a bigger collection because it pulls such cool stuff. This is where I wish explicit tags were standard because it will pull up something not so nice when the kids are listening. I'm surprised they haven't been bought by the big boys yet.
 
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