Power M1XEP off VAUX?

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sleeve

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AC adaptor for the M1XEP says 1.5A output, bzzt. M1XEP manual says it draws 300ma, ding. Has anyone tried this? The only other thing I have on VAUX is one motion sensor. Any guesses on polarity of the barrel connector? I used to assume positive on pin until, bzzt. Heck, if it wasn't DOA and holding up my install, I was considering running the Linksys wireless bridge off VAUX as well.

I searched on this subject and didn't find anything, apologies if I didn't look closely enough.
 
Sleeve said:
AC adaptor for the M1XEP says 1.5A output, bzzt. M1XEP manual says it draws 300ma, ding. Has anyone tried this? The only other thing I have on VAUX is one motion sensor. Any guesses on polarity of the barrel connector? I used to assume positive on pin until, bzzt. Heck, if it wasn't DOA and holding up my install, I was considering running the Linksys wireless bridge off VAUX as well.

I searched on this subject and didn't find anything, apologies if I didn't look closely enough.
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This has been discussed many times in the past. [topic="16582"]Have a look here...[/topic]
 
IMHO, buy a cheap Altronix ( like an AL400UL or X or B ) or similar and use it to power all of your other stuff. I actually have an AL600 and ALL my PIR/Glass, etc are powered from it. I am not currently using my Aux for anything.
 
wuench, I see nothing relevant to my question at the post, did you possibly have a link in your clipboard that was in response to another question? The post you referenced is about x-10 relays. I'm asking if I can power an ELK M1XEP ethernet board using an ELK M1G's VAUX 12 volt output. A search on m1xep vaux turned up 5 pages of m1xep posts with very little nearness to vaux.

Steve, you're missing my spirit here, I'm trying to reduce the solution to its simplest pieces. I want to lop off the wall wart from the M1XEP kit's power cord and ride on the M1. I've got a 1.1A limit on VAux and I think I have headroom. I don't want to add another component to the solution, no matter how flexible, reliable, or highly recommended. I appreciate the guidance, you've been very helpful as I try to politely find my seat in this crowd.
 
wuench said:
This has been discussed many times in the past. [post="16582"]Have a look here...[/post]
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[topic="16582"]This[/topic] is the most recent thread, with the last post just 11 days ago. The points about powering network equipment, and not just the XEP, are significant.
 
Sleeve said:
wuench, I see nothing relevant to my question at the post, did you possibly have a link in your clipboard that was in response to another question? The post you referenced is about x-10 relays. I'm asking if I can power an ELK M1XEP ethernet board using an ELK M1G's VAUX 12 volt output. A search on m1xep vaux turned up 5 pages of m1xep posts with very little nearness to vaux.

Steve, you're missing my spirit here, I'm trying to reduce the solution to its simplest pieces. I want to lop off the wall wart from the M1XEP kit's power cord and ride on the M1. I've got a 1.1A limit on VAux and I think I have headroom. I don't want to add another component to the solution, no matter how flexible, reliable, or highly recommended. I appreciate the guidance, you've been very helpful as I try to politely find my seat in this crowd.
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Sorry, I used the wrong forum command. I fixed it. It's the same one Lagerhead posted.
 
wuench said:
Sleeve said:
wuench, I see nothing relevant to my question at the post, did you possibly have a link in your clipboard that was in response to another question? The post you referenced is about x-10 relays. I'm asking if I can power an ELK M1XEP ethernet board using an ELK M1G's VAUX 12 volt output. A search on m1xep vaux turned up 5 pages of m1xep posts with very little nearness to vaux.

Steve, you're missing my spirit here, I'm trying to reduce the solution to its simplest pieces. I want to lop off the wall wart from the M1XEP kit's power cord and ride on the M1. I've got a 1.1A limit on VAux and I think I have headroom. I don't want to add another component to the solution, no matter how flexible, reliable, or highly recommended. I appreciate the guidance, you've been very helpful as I try to politely find my seat in this crowd.
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Sorry, I used the wrong forum command. I fixed it. It's the same one Lagerhead posted.
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I was thinking the same thing and asked a similar question a few weeks back..
http://www.cocoontech.com/forums/index.php...c=16298&hl=
I did some calcs that included the keypads in alarm mode so you need to double check the part of the manual that says what else shares that allocation with the vaux. If you dont have a lot of stuff running off that vaux you should be okay.

You should be able to make it but as you start to expand the system it could get close.

In the end i installed a powerbox at the bottom with two plugs (I reinstalled mine in a levton can). Take a look at the pictures here
http://www.cocoontech.com/forums/index.php...c=16487&hl=

the thread goes a little off topic into how to fish wires but but if you look at my 2.0 pictures and the picasa link you may agree easier just to inlude the walwart in the box. If nothing eles you can see how someone decides to start small and then this thing grows like crazy..
 
I totally understand the spirit but I just don't think its a good idea to load the system to the max. The other thing is the battery during power failure. I don't want network equipment cutting my security battery backup down to nothing.
 
Guys, thanks for the links to the existing posts, sorry I didn't come up with the right search, vaux is probably too specific. I know forums that have been operating for years are appropriately upset by newcomers who can't search or stay current with active threads. I empathize, I've been on a few forums since we called it usenet.

I've got the M1, the M1XEP, and my networking gear on an APC 350va UPS. I haven't put the M1 on a kill-a-watt yet, but my gut says I get a long time on the APC UPS before it hands over to the in box battery.

Based on the guidance, the all in the box visual and tamper resistance benefits I'm trying to accomplish are not worth it. I'm not going to power the m1xep from the m1. I know I'm going to add at least another keypad once I figure out how to snake between my floors. Once I do that, I drop from wifi power consumption on the APC to the power drain of a switch as a by product, but that's not a difference that really factors into my main decision. I'm going to leave my options open for sensors that work with my M1 and sensors that work with my other automation gear so I'll need the headroom for more current.
 
Sleeve said:
Guys, thanks for the links to the existing posts, sorry I didn't come up with the right search, vaux is probably too specific. I know forums that have been operating for years are appropriately upset by newcomers who can't search or stay current with active threads. I empathize, I've been on a few forums since we called it usenet.

I've got the M1, the M1XEP, and my networking gear on an APC 350va UPS. I haven't put the M1 on a kill-a-watt yet, but my gut says I get a long time on the APC UPS before it hands over to the in box battery.

Based on the guidance, the all in the box visual and tamper resistance benefits I'm trying to accomplish are not worth it. I'm not going to power the m1xep from the m1. I know I'm going to add at least another keypad once I figure out how to snake between my floors. Once I do that, I drop from wifi power consumption on the APC to the power drain of a switch as a by product, but that's not a difference that really factors into my main decision. I'm going to leave my options open for sensors that work with my M1 and sensors that work with my other automation gear so I'll need the headroom for more current.
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BTW, having the M1 on a UPS negates it's ability to detect a power failure. So it won't be able to alert on those events.
 
This is so true, any idea how we can still set this up while keeping the UPS?

On another note, are you trying to snake between a first floor and second floor? I installed flexible conduit and ran it up my AC closet which is my second floor. Might work for you?
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Sleeve said:
Guys, thanks for the links to the existing posts, sorry I didn't come up with the right search, vaux is probably too specific. I know forums that have been operating for years are appropriately upset by newcomers who can't search or stay current with active threads. I empathize, I've been on a few forums since we called it usenet.

I've got the M1, the M1XEP, and my networking gear on an APC 350va UPS. I haven't put the M1 on a kill-a-watt yet, but my gut says I get a long time on the APC UPS before it hands over to the in box battery.

Based on the guidance, the all in the box visual and tamper resistance benefits I'm trying to accomplish are not worth it. I'm not going to power the m1xep from the m1. I know I'm going to add at least another keypad once I figure out how to snake between my floors. Once I do that, I drop from wifi power consumption on the APC to the power drain of a switch as a by product, but that's not a difference that really factors into my main decision. I'm going to leave my options open for sensors that work with my M1 and sensors that work with my other automation gear so I'll need the headroom for more current.
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BTW, having the M1 on a UPS negates it's ability to detect a power failure. So it won't be able to alert on those events.
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You don't need (or imho WANT) a UPS. The batteries you use on the panels or external power supplies are essentially the same as a UPS. With the UPS you bypass notifications, etc. If the stuff you want to add is low current, add it to VAux being careful not to put too much. If you need more, I suggested something like a 4 or 6 amp external power supply like an Altronix. That power supply can power alot of things, can have 2 batteries for backup and can perform loss of AC and low battery notifications. I have an Altronix AL600 that feeds 3 PD9-HC and powers all my motions/glass breaks and anything else that needs 12v in that can.
 
I'm with Steve. All panel power should be reserved for SECURITY ONLY. I have three Altronix power supplies, leaving my m1 to do its one and most important thing during a power failure....Maintain fire and security protection. Please don't forget, the M1 is a life safety device "if installed to do so" the rest of the M1 is just a bunch(a big bunch) of extras. I am a security pro, my advise is, you should always limit current draw/damage to the main panel in the event of an outage, proctect it the best you can. It's protecting you, your loved ones, and your property.

Mike
 
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