Are you worried about the Coronavirus?

[linuxha]

I reserve the right to change my opinion as facts / data / conspiracy theories emerge and change.  That said...
 
In looking at the data right now, I'm in disbelief that China has plateaued around 80,000 cases and 4,500 deaths.  It's a lie.  Fortunately the US is smart enough to not trust China and will put our interests first.  No one should be basing their projections off China's numbers.  My *hope* is that most health experts with noble intentions not trust the CCP and will look elsewhere for data.  

 
Seldom can you trust the information coming out of China, it's heavily censored. Weighted towards favorable information towards China. It also seemed too good to be true.
 
I hope were that smart, we have a lot more folks more worried about the economic impact and down playing the health issue. We have this thing restart again the economic expense will be worse. I've been noticing a lot more people on the roadways (I ride a bicycle for exercise and to help me breath). People in NJ are starting to ignore this.  Other states are blowing this off completely. Beaches open, essential business only - what is that on the beach? I understand the economic/jobs part, I have one now but I expect hell in October (the projects are in a rush to get everything done now, not good). I certainly hope that they nail the economic restart. At the moment it feels a little too early.
 
I'm old enough to recall the chicken pox epidemic in my Bronx neighborhood in the early 60's. That was several weeks of hell as my family got chicken pox.
 
 

Anyway, I'm starting to become less concerned about the virus and more concerned about the response and the ramifications.  Wearing masks and gloves used to be a reason for arrest in many jurisdictions as that makes sense.  Now one can casually get suited up in PPE and take some time before committing a crime.  In fact, in some areas it would be a crime to not wear a mask right now!

 
As an asthmatic I'm worried about the virus, it's hell not being able to breath or going down that slow road of being able to breath less as things get worse.
 
I was thinking about the same thing. I have a red bandanna that I were like a bank robber. This would have enough to get me arrested before all of this. So stick em up. 

 

[LarrylLix]

Many areas and countries have plateaued already. I doubt they all lied. British Columbia, Canada was one of the first areas to get an outbreak. Their infection count and deaths are very low and basic stagnant now.  They also seem to have got it under control. Same with New Zealand.
 
Areas with dictatorships, like China, have it under control much better than countries out partying because they have rights. In a strong dictatorship you don't party. You stay at home when you are told or you may get a cattle prod. Indians were shown using beating stick on offenders. American insisted on having Mardi Gras despite the warnings from their leaders. This attitude may be a large factor unfortunately.
 
Some countries understand that the virus is not going to go away until we all have it and develop immunity, or we all develop immunity by exposure,  or naturally have an immunity. It is just a matter of time. No efforts to isolate people ever intended for us to avoid it, only allow the medical systems to handle to infections better by slowly the exponential curve rise  that was predicted. Theoretically, this should prevent many deaths for people that will require ventilators to survive the pneumonia phase of the virus.
 
Trouble with infection statistics is they are all counted differently. In Canada we are told if we are sick to go home and stay home, like any other flu. Testing everybody does nothing except to increase the figures. Only the deathly ill people arriving at hospitals get tested.  In the UK they don't count deaths in nursing homes. They have not been attributed to the COVID19 death stats there. Many US states are not required to report flu infections. CDC does not consider flu a reportable disease. Many testing methods were flawed. Many carriers were never sick.
 
Take notice of southern climates. They don't seem to have the out-of-control infection rates or the death ratios the colder climates do. Their turns may be coming when the season shifts.

 

[ano]

I say to those that want to go out and party, please go ahead. Sure, its just like the flu. Please please go out there, with all your other friends that want to go out. Natural selection will take care of the rest. 

 

[linuxha]

I say to those that want to go out and party, please go ahead. Sure, its just like the flu. Please please go out there, with all your other friends that want to go out. Natural selection will take care of the rest. 

 
Hmm, careful, this is not my area of expertise, so take with a grain of salt (the size of Manhattan).
 
But there in lies the issue, if there's carrier of the virus there are now carrier + party. Some may get sick, some may die but some many show no symptoms but are still carriers.  Since there is no vaccine, the health care folks and others have no protections. In the NY/NJ/Conn. area we're losing the healthcare folks to this illness. We've peaked but the numbers are still high (NY - 650+ deaths/day). NJ is smaller but fewer new people are considered new patients.
 
If we start getting more no-symptom carriers we're going to start this ride all over again.

 

[mikefamig]

No doubt that going out too early can prolong the spread of this thing and potentially kill more people. It would be nice if they would just give the virus to each other but I doubt that it'll work that way. They'll go shopping and to the gas station and whatever and spread it around to the general public. They'll give it to what we are now calling essential workers.
 
I think that any time before there's a vaccine will be too early to prevent it's spread. People are not going to behave for much longer.
 
Mike.

 

[LarrylLix]

No doubt that going out too early can prolong the spread of this thing and potentially kill more people. It would be nice if they would just give the virus to each other but I doubt that it'll work that way. They'll go shopping and to the gas station and whatever and spread it around to the general public. They'll give it to what we are now calling essential workers.
 
I think that any time before there's a vaccine will be too early to prevent it's spread. People are not going to behave for much longer.
 
Mike.

That's like telling the kids to pee in the pool if they want because it's only them that will get the bacteria.
 
Definitely feeling some frustration there.
 
Have a look at the Spanish Flu that went around the world for two years in 1918-19. People went out to celebrate and the second wave killed more people than the first wave. Strange it is exactly 101 years later. That one is thought to have started in the USA. The stats are very blurred as scientists thought it wasn't even a virus, didn't know what one was and the WW I confused the figures as countries hid them from each other.
 
There was a woman on TV, that survived having both  the Spanish Flu and now survived the COVID-19 virus also, despite her age.

 

[pete_c]

There have been huge medical advances in the last 100 years.  
 
The "what if" scenarios have been around for many many years and have been updated and adjusted for current time frame.
 
There are common sense rules / etiquette relating to washing hands, covering up when sneezing et al.
 
Many people have always followed these common sense rules / etiquette and many folks have never followed these common sense rules.
 
 
 
And yes what will happen will happen no matter what.   
 
 
 
Try holding a bowl full of jello in the palm of your hand.
 
That is the way it is here and history always repeats itself even though we are supposed to learn from it.

 

[pvrfan]

I ran across an interesting analysis of the rate of spread of the virus:
 
https://rt.live/
 
Be sure to read the Lean More link as it explains why the shaded areas on the individual state graphs are key to understanding.
 
Wish I could find a similar analysis for Canada.
 
Craig

 

[pete_c]

On a good note it appears locally that things are slowly coming back to normal..in the immediate areas.  
 
My only outdoor ventures have been going to the grocery store....every week it's been busier...seeing maybe 20% of the folks shopping wearing masks.  
 
I see social distancing sometimes but mostly not in grocery stores.  They have been posting counters at the doors of two grocery stores that we frequent.
 
Still no toilet paper unless we go to a big box grocery store.  

 

[LarrylLix]

Just looking through my family genealogy database and found a few relatives died in 1918 and 1919. One, from my father's records, by word of mouth, was listed as died of flu, pneumonia.  Ages were varied at 1 year old, 25 (married one year), 43 and a few more past 60 years. Only the one record had a reason for death listed.
 
Apparently Spanish flu was not as selective by age, as COVID-19.

 

[Waynedb]

I haven’t left the house in over a month, nowhere to go if I did although I could use a haircut. In my area masks are mandatory if you go out. California numbers have been better than back east but it is too early to think life will be back to normal anytime soon.
I wonder how many businesses are going to be gone for good when all is said and done. 
 
 When this thread started I said I was worried about my Niece who had just moved to Korea, turns out she picked a good country to ride this out. 

 

[pete_c]

This past weekend wife and I went to her hairdresser to get our hair cuts.  He is working from his basement as his salon is closed. 
 
He is making more monies working from his basement than the salon.  There are some discussions going on relating to reopening salon (30 folks there).  No date or decisions have been made yet.
 
We order Pizza about once a week and they have been very busy.  We also order Chinese around once every couple of weeks and the restaurant closed so we switched to another one which has remained open.
 
I pick up a fish sandwich once a week (Friday)  from Culvers and noticed they have been busy and see around 50% of the folks there wearing masks.

 

[LarrylLix]

This past weekend wife and I went to her hairdresser to get our hair cuts.  He is working from his basement as his salon is closed. 
 
He is making more monies working from his basement than the salon.  There are some discussions going on relating to reopening salon (30 folks there).  No date or decisions have been made yet.
 
We order Pizza about once a week and they have been very busy.  We also order Chinese around once every couple of weeks and the restaurant closed so we switched to another one which has remained open.
 
I pick up a fish sandwich once a week (Friday)  from Culvers and noticed they have been busy and see around 50% of the folks there wearing masks.

You cook just like a retiree!  :rofl:
 
Our fearless leader just announced students will be paid more than retiree pensions. grrrrr.....
Hey! I wonder if I could get both??
 
 
We have compiled a Relative Importance chart and I post here!

 

[pete_c]

Wife is cooking dinner or pre cooking dinner as she always has.  Only thing was purchasing pork week before last - didn't find any.
 
Power washed the grill last week.  Never have stopped grilling.  Typically we use it for steaks and baking potatoes and sausage.  Lately been cooking shrimp on skewers (she found a place for purchasing very large maxi sized shrimp)
 
 
 
That said she made Paella this past weekend which included pork, chicken, clams, shrimp.  Will post the recipes.  Takes a while to make.  Great stuff.
 
Also lately she has purchased frozen Chicken Kiev's which I have not eaten since the 1980's.  She wants to learn how to DIY that.

 

[ano]

We have compiled a Relative Importance chart and I post here!

COVID chart.jpg

I could never understand the toilet paper thing, until I finally saw the explanation. During normal times, people work 40 hours at the office. or they are in the dorm, or they go to the bathroom in a restaurant. Probably 50% of ones toilet paper use was outside the home. (You don't use much while you are sleeping.)
 
So now schools are closed, restaurants are take-out only, office building and casinos are shut down.  So toilet paper use is the same now, but now we are home all day, so we have transitioned from from office toilet paper to home toilet paper.  
 
At first you might say, big deal, what's the difference?  Turns out, the supply chain for home and office toilet paper is completely different, and you can't just interchange one for the other.  So while grocery stores have none, presumably there are commercial suppliers that have tons of toilet paper just sitting there. 
 
We are eating well during this time, but we do feel for many many people that can't afford food.   We have only had takeout maybe three times since this started, but we get deliveries of local vegetables and fruit, precooked meals, Costco, Amazon, and Whole Foods. I have yet to ever use Uber Eats, Doordash, etc.  
 
My favorite beverage in the world is Stewarts Diet Orange Cream soda.  I bought a case of 24 from a place in Pennsylvania, and it arrived today, all bottles made it safely.  Yes, the shipping cost 30% more than the actual cost of the soda, but its worth it. 
 
I'm kinda liking all the delivery groceries.  I may never go back to the old way. They save lots of time.