Backup strategies for my PC using Acronis

rogerous

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Hi guys,


What do you think would be a good strategy for backing up my PC.


The PC has 2 HD labeled "C" and "E"

The "C" drive is the main drive with 300Gb capacity --- I rarely go beyond 100Gb --- It's at 86Gb right now.

The "E" drive is a backup drive with 80Gb capacity.

I also have an external backup HD labeled "H" with 500Gb capacity.

Right now I use Acronis and I have an image of the entire "C" drive onto the "H" drive and I have a task that is schedule everyday at 10pm to make a Incremental backup.

These incremental backup really adds up quick and I think it would take quite a long time to restore each and everyone in case of a "C" drive problem.


How would you deal with this to be most efficient?


Thanks!
 
Hi guys,


What do you think would be a good strategy for backing up my PC.


The PC has 2 HD labeled "C" and "E"

The "C" drive is the main drive with 300Gb capacity --- I rarely go beyond 100Gb --- It's at 86Gb right now.

The "E" drive is a backup drive with 80Gb capacity.

I also have an external backup HD labeled "H" with 500Gb capacity.

Right now I use Acronis and I have an image of the entire "C" drive onto the "H" drive and I have a task that is schedule everyday at 10pm to make a Incremental backup.

These incremental backup really adds up quick and I think it would take quite a long time to restore each and everyone in case of a "C" drive problem.


How would you deal with this to be most efficient?


Thanks!

BTW -- I use macrium (free edition) and I think this is a good alternative for folks that clone

The gold standard for backups:
  • Reasonable time to backup
  • Two or more paths to recovery

And the reasons for backups:
  • hardware failure
  • accidental deletion/modification

The reason you want two or more paths to recovery is because (so says Murphy), there's always a chance that your backup is bad. Think about it... while you make backups constantly, you typically don't actually TEST the recovery process until you need to recover. Any given backup might be bad, so you'd like a couple of ways to get back to where you left off. One typical way of doing this is to take full backups and in between incremental backups. In this manner, you can recover to your latest full-backup (and apply incrementals) or to the 2nd oldest full-backup (and apply more incrementals).

One of the major reason for incremental backups is because of the time it takes to do full system backups. If you can do full backups in a reasonable period of time (where the backup doesn't hurt your performance when you need it), there's no reason not to perform full-backups (assuming you have space)

I'm assuming you use windows... which has relatively decent system recovery options (and a deleted items folder), and office also includes versioning. You might only be looking at drive failure (and may not worry as much for accidental deletion/modification). In this case, drive mirroring is reasonably cost-effective.

In my setup, I do the following:
a. Perform a full and an incremental backup once per week (incremental based on the previous week's full backup). This gives me two ways to recover to "last week's" configuration --> either the 2 week old full + current incremental, or the 1 week old full. I only backup my data once per week because most of my work is server-based, and my automation PC files just don't change that frequently (logs, etc). My backups each take < 1 hr, so I have no real concern with doing more. --> note: I actually tested the recovery approach :-)
b. I decided against mirroring because I'm a bit of a power-consumption snob (and I don't like the extra power required to spin-up the 2nd drive).
c. I utilize off-site storage for my backups (in my case... I burn a few DVDs once every month or so and put them in my safety deposit box)

I should also point out that I separate my C and D drives (C is OS/apps, D is data) so that I can easily distinguish between data and O/S + applications. I only off-site my data (I figure if my house burned down, having an image of the OS isn't going to do me a lot of good, given that I'd need to purchase a new computer anyway)

Michael
 
Hi guys,


What do you think would be a good strategy for backing up my PC.


The PC has 2 HD labeled "C" and "E"

The "C" drive is the main drive with 300Gb capacity --- I rarely go beyond 100Gb --- It's at 86Gb right now.

The "E" drive is a backup drive with 80Gb capacity.

I also have an external backup HD labeled "H" with 500Gb capacity.

Right now I use Acronis and I have an image of the entire "C" drive onto the "H" drive and I have a task that is schedule everyday at 10pm to make a Incremental backup.

These incremental backup really adds up quick and I think it would take quite a long time to restore each and everyone in case of a "C" drive problem.


How would you deal with this to be most efficient?


Thanks!

Hi, I do use Acronis True Image 11. Be aware that I recently had a (normal?) windows (after SP3) crash (again x2) that destroyed my ability to boot into windows. I tried, many times, to just restore xp from my image copy from Acronis, no good luck there. Be aware that I went through this before and found out that the win xp backup is mostly broken too.

It is likely that I am just stupid (:) with Acronis and did not select the right options for the backup (image copy?). I finally had to reformat the C drive and I then had to reinstall XP and go through the hours worth of 'windows updates', then I did the Acronis recovery, ONLY selecting my data files, NOT system files, that worked.

One of the only sane backup methods is to backup important files from one physical drive onto the other.

You should burn a CD or DVD with your most critical data and put that in your "OMG it is a disaster" kit.

In my case, I created a 'Acronis secure zone' and just do a full backup of my important files weekly, things like iTunes, once a month. Make enough space for about two full backups, then just schedule a full backup for once a week.

I had hoped that I could recover a xp system with this software, well, that did not work for me, in that, it was not a 'simple' restore operation in my case.

I am doing my best to go 100% Linux now, I have had it with the 'super delux' MS software that is expensive and is broken the day it ships.

Luck

Ken

BTW an Acronis 'secure zone' is just a disk partition that windows cannot get to. That way, when your win system gets infected by some evil software, the secure zone will still be safe (it is a Linux format).

Hope I answered some part of you question. B)

Ken Miller
 
i have acronis - lotta money for the functions it provides

AND

after installing the software and setting up a sizable chunk of hard drive space for backup, i discover it won't work with mcafee - i also tried it using a second drive - this was using the backup and incremental functions

i run raid mirroring so i created boot cd disks using acronis - then perform a clone function periodically to a spare hard drive (internal drive that i plugin for the clone function - then remove) - the theory is that the boot disks will get up enough of acronis to restore from the cloned drive (after replacing the failed primary array)

could i restore? probably - i got acronis when i set up raid and had to reinstall windows (to include the raid driver) - the install had to be a clean install - i booted from the clone drive a few times during the conversion - i did not clone back to the raid array because it would overwrite the raid drivers i fought to install

my hd mirroring array is 500 gig sata western digitals - probably 30% used - the drive i use for the clone is 200 gig - the data fits and acronis does not care about the size difference
 
We use Acronis at work and I use it at home. We no longer do incremental backups. They are simply too hard to restore. We now do full backups once a week overnight and our success rate is excellent. I just had to restore my laptop at home and it worked perfectly. Forget the incrementals and go for the full.
 
The main reason for the backups is in the case of a hardware failure.

It takes 1hr to create a full backup(e.g: an image of the entire disk) which seems reasonable now that I know ;)

With all the great suggestions, I have decided to do the following:

Week1 --- Full backup on "H" drive
Week2 --- Full backup on "E" drive
Week3 --- Full backup on "H" drive
and so on ...


Daily --- Specific folders backup on "H" drive


Thanks to all!

Roger
 
Just to add more noise to this discussion-

I am using Acronis's home version. Seems to work fine. Incremental backups, and when my external USB drive gets full, I delete the files and start over.

I see no downside to RAID-1. In fact, it is starting to seem silly to me to NOT use it. Drives fail. All mechanical things do, at some point. Makes me feel like a D.A. for continuing to use my 160GB RAID-0 array of two 80GB drives. What the hell am I thinking?

Finally, I recently listened to a podcast discussing Windows Home Server. I know it isn't for everyone, but it sounds pretty impressive as far as backing up the machine on your home LAN. Should be abt $100 and will run on that old, slow, otherwise-useless machine in your closet. Plug it into your switch and it ought to work. Read the Wikipedia article about it.
 
After having my main computer go down with what I think was a corrupted disk, I've recently rebuilt my machine. This time I am using RAID1 for my primary OS drive (C:) and I've also created several other partitions including a D: Drive for my data. So all of this is being mirrored on the RAID1 drive.

My fear is that another corruption event or some other issue will still effect both RAID drives. So I do plan on backing the computer up in addition to having the RAID setup. Actually I am in the process of installing/learning Windows Server 2008 on the computer. Then I plan on making a full backup once a week to another local drive. I also hope to connect my server to my parents server and do backups of each others data drives and send them over a secure connection to the other server. Perhaps those backups would only be once every two weeks or even once per month. But that way we would each have offsite backups of our most critical and irreplacable data like pictures and documents, and everything would happen automatically. I know that the backups just won't be done regularly if it requires having to connect portable drives up, manually doing a backup, and then sending them offsite.
 
Do any of you use any online backup services? I've been looking for an online service that will not only backup data but also allow me to sync it between computers. I now this isn't practical for media libraries or other huge amounts of data, but I think just a few gigs would be plenty for all my important documents.

I looked into rsync to try to configure something on my own, but didn't get very far. GoDaddy is now offering a service that I think offers 10 gigs per year for $10 and it seems that they have a nice gui to manage everything. Haven't tried it yet, though.
 
I would take a look at dropbox. Works on multiple platforms, supports versioning and comes with 2 gigabytes of free space. It uses the Amazon S3 service if I remember correctly, and I have had 0 problems with it.

Whichever service you select, try to encrypt your backups, just in case the online backup service experiences a security issue.
 
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