Better way to temporarily install EOL resistors

I am thinking that I installed all my EOLR's as depicted in the attached picture. 
 
I do get ~147-149 loop values in the Leviton HAI OPII panel and they are all the same.  "Not ready" goes to a loop value of 253.
 
Is that what I am supposed to see with PCA?
 
Thinking that all of the EOLR's are supposed to be connected to COM; how would you not connect it to ground?
 
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I did another quickie search and read.
 

 
Wired loop principles
The methods of transmitting information from a wired detector to a control panel using wires developed as follows:
1st method – Normally Open Loop (closed circuit = detector triggered):
The disadvantage of this method is that if the loop is open-circuited anywhere, then detectors close-circuiting after the wire break will not be noticed by the control panel. This method is not therefore used in alarm systems today, which leads us on to the 2nd method ……
2nd method – Normally Closed Loop (open circuit = detector triggered)
The control panel constantly checks whether the loop has been open-circuited, the closed circuit condition being the normal non-alarm state. The disadvantages are that cables can be short-circuited in a fault situation, or deliberately by criminal sabotage.
Usually used for fire detectors which don't normally get tampered with, but there is a tiny risk that fire detectors or cabling could short-circuit due to a fault. One advantage is a saving in the use of resistors as they are unnecessary.
3rd method – Single Balanced Loop
In this method the non-alarm state is defined as a fixed resistance in series with the loop. The specific value depends on the system configuration. If this value changes, it is regarded as detector triggering. Tampering cannot be determined by the control panel in this method. A tolerance has to be defined for this resistance value as the resistance of the wire in the loop is affected by wire length, temperature, terminal resistance and the value accuracy of the termination resistor. A typical tolerance is 30% from the nominal value. To monitor the whole cable length, the resistor is connected to the very end of the cable run, with in-series detector switches open-circuiting the line to signal a tamper or intrusion event.
This method is used mostly for several single-loop detectors in series, such as door contacts, with the terminating resistor located at the most distant detector. This method is simple, but the disadvantage is that having several detectors in series make it impossible to determine which detector was triggered. If this information is essential, then you have to use the double-balanced loop method.
4th method - Double Balanced Loop
Each detector can signal triggering due to intrusion, or a tamper signal. Two values of resistance (R and 2R) signal the two states of standby and detector activation. Short-circuiting or open-circuiting the loop is defined as a  tamper/detector-cover-open signal. A tolerance of 30% is applied to the measured resistance to allow for temperature changes etc. If the control panel has enough wired inputs, it is very advantageous to connect each detector to its own dedicated loop to identify the detector. Each loop can then communicate whether the detector was triggered or tampered with. Using several detectors in one loop is not advised.
 
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http://www.jablotron.com/en/for-our-partners/technical-support/wired-loop-principles/
 
Hate to say it Gizzmo, but an EOLR installed in the panel is no different than a NC circuit. There is no ground detection. The only way it would detect a ground is if the resistance went out of spec. I've had to troubleshoot plenty of "pro" installs that never had any chase nipples or bushings installed on the knockouts and started cutting into the cables because the rule of thumb was jamb as many cables will fit through that 7/8" hole.
 
Plenty of FACP's disagree with your statement.
 
Fire panel is a completely different breed of cat and I was referring to a burg panel only.

There most definitely is a difference if one end of the resistor is connected to the negative terminal. There is ground detection by way of a loop fault. If you take a simple EOL loop and introduce a ground on the positive side of the circuit it will now show a faulted condition. If you take the same loop (NC) with the EOL programmed out and introduce a ground, the circuit will be normal.
 
Without the entire argument getting off topic, a EG vs. a electrical ground fault in reference to the panel's ground (two different animals) the fault will only be recognized if the fault negates the circuit's connection to common and not EG. To avoid the granular discussion, if the COM of the panel is electrically equivalent to EG, yes, it will annunciate, but if the panel is floating, a ground will not be annunciated as a fault. No different than a panel that has NC options to negate the EOLR. All the panel cares is if the voltage being fed back is within spec, not how it gets back to it.
 
I have a site with plenty of the old Logiplex panels that have this exact problem with their wiring and EOLR's....the faults are never seen by the panel(s) if the EOLR is in the panel.
 
Good point I was referring to alarm panels most of which have a bond between EG and COM. I switched to floating grounds or not grounding burg panels years ago as it was mostly a path through the panel for lightning strikes. In this scenario your your right, no difference. Old habits are hard to break. It just bugs me, if you couldn't tell, when I see resistors on the positive side of the loop.
 
It really depends on the panel and construction in addition to the power source. Plenty of panels don't have any correlation between their common and EG and the only point of ground reference is the EG connection (if it exists) or a trace on the circuit board that is mechanically connected by the screws that hold the board in. The worst is the "foreign" boards that switch negative instead of the positive for reset or bell purposes, contrary to almost every contemporary NA panel. Introduces a whole new world of issues and troubleshooting. 
 
That said, for the most part, unless you really move to DEOL/TEOL and install in the field, people stress on the functionality of EOLR's and how they're installed (though always should be on the common leg of a zone) when they only perform a fraction of real supervision.
 
If you look at any large system that has been installed and routinely serviced...well you'll start seeing missing screws and connectors, random electrical tape, etc. It's not that the original installer or techs got lazy, usually it's due to faults appearing and the tech is too lazy to find the cause or the old "wire is not covered" clause on a service contract. Usually the worst offenders are fire alarm systems with style 6 wiring....plenty of missing screws and insulators of all sorts installed as they age. Miraculously fixes shorts and ground faults when the references are removed from the board(s) and panels.
 
Giz, if you're out in the field on a larger system, take a peek for missing screws, ground whips or connections to the cabinet or chassis' I think you might be amazed how many do this to "fix" an issue.
 
Did ADT run 2-wire or 4-wire for the doors ?  If it is a 4-wire loop then you can fully supervise and yet have the eolr in the control panel, just use 2 wires for the tripping circuit and the other 2 for the eolr 
 
 
Yes and no....that doesn't supervise all the cable pairs for open/short. It's better than putting them in the panel, but it doesn't improve the overall security and circuit integrity monitoring.
 
Similar question...
 
When I prewired, I didn't put in any EOLR's, so all of my window/door sensors are just defined as NC. I see that GRI offers several models of surface mount window sensors that have built-in 2.2K EOL resistors. If I replace my current surface mount window sensors at the end of each zone with these, do I get back all of the benefits I lost by not having EOLR's? Is it an equivalent solution (other than price-wise)?
 
Thanks,
Ira
 
Ira said:
Similar question...
 
When I prewired, I didn't put in any EOLR's, so all of my window/door sensors are just defined as NC. I see that GRI offers several models of surface mount window sensors that have built-in 2.2K EOL resistors. If I replace my current surface mount window sensors at the end of each zone with these, do I get back all of the benefits I lost by not having EOLR's? Is it an equivalent solution (other than price-wise)?
 
Thanks,
Ira
 
Yes, you get the benefits of EOLR if they are built into the sensors.  I have a bunch of the GRI sensors with 2.2k built into them, I used them at my last place and they worked great.  Mine were the hidden magnetic sensors that go in the frame.  When you say surface mount, is this what you're talking about?
 
The surface mounted sensors I use/need are the ones where everything is exposed, e.g., the GRI 100 series mini's or the GRI 28/29 series standard. Not the best looking solution, but the one I'm stuck with unless I want to do a lot of additional work (which I don't).
 
Technically, yes, the EOLR supervision of the circuit would technically be back, but I've never seen a contact manufacturer label which side of the contact the EOLR was connected to (terminal) so it still may be possible to have a ground fault that is unsupervised by the panel.
 
I looked at the GRI website and couldn't find anything about how it was wired internally. GRI won't respond to end user questions, so I sent a message to Automated Outlet (they are a GRI dealer) to see if he can find out the answer and post it here.
 
From looking at the M1G install manual, I assume the issue is whether or not the EOLR is on the zone input side of the switch as it is shown in their diagram. Other than taking one apart, is there any way to bench test it to figure out the internal wiring? If it's not the way the M1G diagram shows it, does completely negate the EOLR's benefit? Can you give an example or two?
 
Thanks,
Ira
 
Ira said:
From looking at the M1G install manual, I assume the issue is whether or not the EOLR is on the zone input side of the switch as it is shown in their diagram. Other than taking one apart, is there any way to bench test it to figure out the internal wiring? If it's not the way the M1G diagram shows it, does completely negate the EOLR's benefit? Can you give an example or two?
 
There is no simple way to bench test the contact and determine which side the EOLR is on.  But not knowing that bit of information does not negate most of the benefit of having an EOLR.  When  the EOLR is on the negative side of the contact, it allows you to catch one particular ground fault that would not be caught if the EOLR was on the positive side. But that is just one of many possible fault conditions.
 
There is a good FAQ on EOLRs and possible faults here:
 
http://cocoontech.com/forums/files/file/168-end-of-line-resistors-faq/
 
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