Elk M1 / UPB and Z-wave conflict

[aceman]

OK -

I know per Elk you are not supposed to mix UPB & Zwave but i had done it w/o any issues when i had appx 25 UPB switches and 2 Zwave thermostats (trane).

The zwave signal was a little week, so I recently added 3 zwave outlets around the house and the good news is the signal is strong.

Problem i'm having is when my rules for certain UPB lights (via links) activate, the zwave outlets are turning on as well.

Any ideas? the UPB device #'s (home ID is 1 btw) and zwave device #'s do not overlap.

Seems like its primarily happening with links - turning on a UPB light less than a certain ID# does not impact the zwave outlets...

Let me know if anyone has any ideas please!

thx

Aceman

 

[drvnbysound]

Just curious, what [brand] Zwave outlets did you add?

 

[aceman]

i went cheap...intermatic

 

[drvnbysound]

The reason I asked is because I have cheap GE/Jasco dimmers... I had one in my MBA which would often turn the lights off when the MBA fan was turned on. I swapped the manual fan switch to a Zwave switch and it fixed the problem. I don't know if this could be a similar problem to what you are seeing with the UPB switches - possibly some sort of glitch that is causing the Intermatic receptacles to toggle...

 

[aceman]

hmmm...the strange thing is if i have the elk control an individual UPB switch (not a UPB Link), there is no conflict, if the elk controls any UPB Link, the 3 zwave outlets go on/off...

 

[dhiren]

Aceman,

Did you get to the bottom of this ? I'm looking to get into setting up a honeywell zwave thermostat and a Yale zwave lock together with my UPB install (about 20 -30 UPB devices). I'm pretty apprehensive about this. Can i also ask how you ensured there was no overlap in the device id's ? Are you running them (upb & zwave) on different house id's
 
Not sure if that's a valid question but I ask because i notice you mentioned house id's in your post 

 

[dhiren]

Incase someone had the same question as mine, here's how I ensured that there was no overlap between the zwave and upb devices
 
1.) Changed the device ids for devices between id 1 through 10 within UPSTART and moved them to later range, 20 -30 
2.) Updated those devices within the ELK lighting table which cleared up devices 1 through 10
3.) Alotted device id 1 through 10 to zwave devices

 

[tmbrown97]

Good update - if you look at the XSP's documentation, it'll show the mapping between for the device ID's for each technology.  It's very important to ensure that there are no conflicts on the links or the regular lighting ID's.  The initial scheme was based around X10's house/light address model and adapted for newer technology, which is why there's the limit of 256 devices.  As long as you don't have any overlap/conflicts, there's no reason you can't mix/match multiple technologies.

 

[ddennerline]

What's probably happening is the M1XSZW is triggering a group command that is interpreted on VRC0P+3 as turn all lights on/off. I don't know how UBP links work, but in Z-Wave any lighting identifiers >129 is considered a Z-Wave group/zone.
 
I have found that if your configure a Zone in ElkRP, activate it via a keypad, do not configure a corresponding area in RFIT, then M1SXZW seems to cause all lights to turn on/off.
 
Since you have such a small number of outets, I would just send an 'off' command to each outlet. Another alternative is adding plugin controller that has no load attached.
 
I have yet to figure out why Z-Wave technology hasn’t embraced low-cost, small, attractive, repeaters that tell you, “put me here, I can communicate with 10 devices.” Basically, you have to guess where to put the dummy device; find some kind of electrical box nearby; or put an unsightly plugin dimmer in outlet. The should make a repeater that looks like a child-proof outlet cover.