Latching contacts or not and zone definition questions

[PHJ424]

Elk M1 system in a residential home installation. For motions and glassbreaks do I need to set the outputs for latching these inputs will be going to an XIN expander card.

Next question if I setup the garage for overhead door switches, 2 motions in garage and a contact on the door from the garage into the home what is the best way to setup the definitions and have security in there while a family member has yet to arrive home via the garage in the evening. The M1 will know when the remote is opening the garage door via the M1XRF2G from a keyfob input. There will also be a weigand reader in the house after entering thru the entry door via the garage.

On the above Im looking at the definitions available Im thinking as follows let me know what you think:

Overhead doors Def 02 for more time delay

Garage entry door Def 01 for standard time delay

Garage motions Def 07 for burg interior nite delay ? This I guess is a secondary to the garage door overhead contacts which are of higher security setting at def 02 when in the stay or stay instant modes.

Is this a good approach as I would rather not disarm with the 4 button crystal keyfob and use the weigand keyfob to disarm upon entry into the home.............Or on second thought when the last family member comes home at night thru the garage can Elk be setup to recognize this in the rules and instead of disarming can it go into nite or nite instant mode?

Thanks in advance for the input on these questions.

 

[carry15+1]

We have an attached garage with an entry door from the garage to the house.

I programmed my overhead garage door as force armable, type 02; burg entry/exit #2

The entry door to the house is type 01; burg entry/exit #1

I have a single motion detector in the garage which is used for an audible announcement of motion only. It is a type 16, assigned to area 4

When the OH door is open and we enable the alarm it is bypassed and the entry door to the kitchen will cause an alarm if opened.

When the garage door is closed, a relay from the M1G system shunts the contacts from the house to garage entry door - allowing us to go into the garage without setting the alarm off. When the OH garage door is closed the OH door is our primary protection point. This shunt also inhibits the normal ding/dong when someone goes into the garage and the door is closed.

 

[PHJ424]

Carry - thanks for the reply.

I see your motion is assigned to area 4. What area are the overhead door and entry door to the house assigned to?

I was looking at keeping the entire house as area 1 as not the forget to disarm the garage and set off an alarm when the house is disarmed like I have read in another post here.

 

[carry15+1]

The house and attached garage are area 1, a detached shop and shed are area 2, and area 3,4 are just dummy areas with zones like a drive alarm which announces and logs activity, but is not part of the alarm system.

By separating the detached buildings I can give a user code to my neighbor so he can get the tractor out if he needs it without having access to the house.

Carry - thanks for the reply.

I see your motion is assigned to area 4. What area are the overhead door and entry door to the house assigned to?

I was looking at keeping the entire house as area 1 as not the forget to disarm the garage and set off an alarm when the house is disarmed like I have read in another post here.

 

[sic0048]

We have an attached garage with an entry door from the garage to the house.

I programmed my overhead garage door as force armable, type 02; burg entry/exit #2

The entry door to the house is type 01; burg entry/exit #1

I have a single motion detector in the garage which is used for an audible announcement of motion only. It is a type 16, assigned to area 4

When the OH door is open and we enable the alarm it is bypassed and the entry door to the kitchen will cause an alarm if opened.

When the garage door is closed, a relay from the M1G system shunts the contacts from the house to garage entry door - allowing us to go into the garage without setting the alarm off. When the OH garage door is closed the OH door is our primary protection point. This shunt also inhibits the normal ding/dong when someone goes into the garage and the door is closed.

That is an interesting concept and one I had not thought of. I can see where that would be a advantage because we are always going in the garage to get something or put something in the recycle bins, etc. This method would allow us to arm stay and not have to worry about disarming before going into the garage.

I guess my only concern would be if the house is armed stay and you go into the garage and open the OH door. If you forgot to disarm the system before opening the OH door, you might not hear the exit count down timer.

 

[Photon]

When the garage door is closed, a relay from the M1G system shunts the contacts from the house to garage entry door - allowing us to go into the garage without setting the alarm off. When the OH garage door is closed the OH door is our primary protection point. This shunt also inhibits the normal ding/dong when someone goes into the garage and the door is closed.

I intended to set up the garage portion of our system with a relay like this. Then one of my co-workers had a break in where the perp followed the car into the garage and later entered the house without the alarm sounding. He had just the overhead doors on his alarm system; not the people door into the house. I would have the same vulnerability if I had used the relay to shunt the contacts on the people door when the overhead door is down. I think the perp was the babysitter's boyfriend, so he had some knowledge of how the system was set up.

I like carry15's idea of a PIR that announces garage motion regardless of the alarm system's state. I'll add that to my ToDo list.

 

[PHJ424]

I was doing some thinking about the garage setup.

If you run a wireless keyfob and have one button for garage door open, can you use that event (the wireless fob activating the overhead door) to bypass the overhead door contact and the motion sensor in the garage for a few minutes, enought time to park the car and enter thru the entry door into the home and then use the usual way to disable the count down timer and then reactivate into whichever stay mode etc you would like?

Im thinking this would be a pretty good way to do it, if a perp enters into the garage with you there is only a few minutes before the overhead and motion in the garage will trigger an alarm then am I correct?