M1G Exit2 zones

[Linwood]

I'm feeling like an idiot as this has to be something simple, but I just do not see it.

Entry/Exit 1 and 2 make all kinds of sense on the face of it. And on entry it is easy to see how you identify which is a "2" time.

But exit -- what should happen?

I set up my garage door to Exit2, then set both entry and exit 1 to 60 seconds, and entry and exit 2 to 180 seconds.

Standing in the house, I arm the system "exit", it starts counting down at 60.

So first question -- on exit how does it know to use Exit 2, since there is no keypad association. I assumed it would switch to the longer time when I violated an Exit 2 zone.

So I go out the inner garage door (I've tried setting it to both interior/following, exit1 and exit 2) and open it -- still countdown is running from 60. Then I open the garage door -- count down continues from 60 and arms at zero.

How do I get it to honor the Exit 2 time?

When I come back in same thing -- it shows a countdown from 60 is running. Although in that case I swear it restarted when I opened the interior door, and I do NOT have the "Restart exit timers" checked on the area.

I really want to have the garage door as force arm also (since it is frequently up when someone wants to leave), and that is even more strange -- one opening it instead of a 3 minute count, it just says "force" and doesn't start a count at all until I open the inner door.

What am I missing? I just want basic force-arm functionality with a longer count for the garage door, not all the fancy rules I've read about elsewhere.

Is there some magic to getting Exit 2 time to work other than doing it in the zone definition as 02=Burg Entry/Exit 2?

 

[Del91574]

I'd say it has to do with the faulting of the E/E 1 zone first, rather than the E/E2 zone. I'd have to bench it to find out for sure, however almost every other manufacturer, the lesser E/E time will override the longer time, depending on which one is triggered first, since you wouldn't want the time to extend (normally) when a longer delay zone is faulted.

I'm not following your force arming scenario, but the system bypasses the zone until it is secure, then once it faults with the system arms, would be when the E/E2 timing would start.

Devil's advocate would suggest the basic items first, such as verifying the wiring and EOLR's (if installed) for proper operation, and from that point, I would investigate the programming, as as simple E/E2 zone, force arming and delay restart is really straightforward programming. I believe your issue is the faulting of the interior door causing the panel to act upon E/E1's delay timer.

 

[Linwood]

OK, I think I understand what it is doing now, but it is very confusing.

I set up a single door with Exit 2 (at 180 seconds). I armed, and opened that door. The Navigator continues to count down from 60 (the Exit 1 delay). It finishes the count down and arms, so it looks like it was not using the Exit 2 time.

So I tried it again but did not secure this exit as I left. Same thing -- at 60 seconds it showed "fully armed", stopped talking, etc. Then 2 minutes later it violated and said "Exit error", so it was using the Exit 2 time. I also changed it to make sure it wasn't some other 2 minute timer, and it is definitely Exit 2 that triggers it.

What's confusing is the keypad counting from the Exit 1 only, and the system state going to "fully armed" before the timer expires. But it does seem to honor the timer, just not what I was expecting. I think this explains my force arming trials that seemed to run amok, as I think I was probably still within the Exit 2 window when I violated (after closing) the force armed door.

What I need to look at is whether I can put some kind of "Exit 2" warning by voice with a rule, perhaps, for a secondary warning. So if someone is not quite out, they can know to stop, come back, disarm and try again rather than leaving just as the alarm sounds.

 

[video321]

The system shows armed after the exit 1 timer because it is. If you opened the exit 1 door the alarm delay timer should start to countdown.
....at least it should :unsure:

 

[wuench]

I think the shortest timer is always going to win, which makes Exit2 rarely used. It's not going to add time to a countdown. Just increase your exit1 time to what you need to get out any door.

Force arm really has nothing to do with it. That just means that the zone will come out of bypass automatically when it is closed. If it wasn't force armed and opened as a part or before you arm you would need to bypass it to arm and it would stay bypassed.

 

[michelkenny]

I have the house door leading into the garage as entry/exit 1, and the actual overhead garage door as entry/exit 2. I have entry 1 set to 30 seconds, exit 1 to 120 seconds, entry 2 to 240 seconds and exit 2 to 240 seconds. My overhead garage door is also set to force arm.

I arm the system, keypad counts down exit 1 delay which is 120 seconds. I can open and close the house door and garage door as much as I want during this countdown. Once exit 1 timer is complete, the system shows armed. However, the system is still counting down the exit 2 duration in the background, another 120 seconds (240 - 120). I can still open and close the overhead garage door as much as I want during this time, it will not trip the alarm as long as exit 2 is still counting down, there is just no indication of this. If I open the house door the alarm will start the entry delay. After exit 2 complete, everything is fully armed.

Having my overhead garage door set to force arm means that if it is still open once the exit 2 timer of 240 seconds completes, the system will still arm. Once the garage door closes, it opening again will trip the alarm. This lets you take longer than 240 seconds in the garage and leave normally.

Now when I come home and open the garage door, the entry 2 timer will start, 240 seconds. I have 240 seconds to get out of my car and open the house door before the alarm sounds. Once I open the house door the entry 1 timer will start right away, 30 seconds, even if there was still more than 30 seconds available from entry 2. (I have not tested opening the house door when there was LESS than 30 seconds when counting down entry 2). If I do not disarm within 30 seconds for entry 1 the alarm sounds.

 

[Linwood]

Kazibole - that is exactly what I am seeing.

One thing that still doesn't make sense (but I guess is right) is that when I open (first and only) an Exit 2, why does the keypad start an Exit 1 countdown. IT appears to ALWAYS start a "1" count. Which I guess is OK, but confusing (my wife just came back and said "I only had 13 seconds left to disarm" but really she had 2 minutes and 13 seconds.

I'm getting the voice to give a second countdown. What I'm working on is if the exit/entry is running, it starts a counter and gives another warning only if the garage door is open. That way even though the keypads went to zero the lady will be saying "Garage Door exit delay is running" and "later "Is about to expire". Been playing first with how to control when the lady talks (and doesn't) so I can control what speakers talk. And that means running yet another wire, sadly, through my attic. I thought i was done. Need a speaker in the garage.

 

[video321]

One thing that still doesn't make sense (but I guess is right) is that when I open (first and only) an Exit 2, why does the keypad start an Exit 1 countdown.

Because, like I said above, the system IS armed after the exit 1 countdown even though you left via exit 2. Think about....you set a shorter delay on exit 1 for a reason. Better yet think on a larger scale, like a warehouse - exit 1 could be the main building and exit 2 is the loading area. You want exit 1 to arm and secure the building while you take your time (could even be an hour!) in the loading area with a forced arm door that was opened within the exit time delay period. I hope that makes sense.

 

[wuench]

This is good stuff, I never knew exit2 worked that way either. I am glad you asked the question...