Project Laser Cat

broconne

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Starting off on a project here to build a mudroom, with two litter boxes built into the bench. Naturally, I want to ventilate the space - which leads to wanting to automate the ventilation! Thanks to electron, for the project name.


Ventilation Goals:
(1) Ventilate heavily after use.
(2) Optional low flow ventilation 24x7 or maybe 10 minutes for every 60 minutes. Enough to keep smell from escaping into the room.. But balanced with not wasting energy by drawing too much conditioned air out of the house. This will be a balancing act.

Restrictions:
(1) Due to the location of mudroom and finishing plans for the basement, I will need a 60ft or more run of 4 inch ducting.

Fan Selection:
Fan
Selected that fan because it can deal with the high static pressure of a 60 ft run.

Usage detection.
At first, I started off looking at putting a motion sensor in the bench itself - however, I was worried about detection range, what happened if we walked by the mudroom.. etc. After some thought, it seems like a beam detector is the best option. However, I could use some input for those that have used beam detectors. I need something fairly simple, I am not too concerned about false alarms, etc..
I found this set: Beam Sensor. However, they are a little more expensive than I wanted to pay and probably overkill for a 5 ft range application. They also seem to require power to both side, which will make it more difficult. In my ideal solution, I want them to be more like a garage door interference detector where one side is a reflector and the other side can take power and alert. Any input?

Programming
I will be hooking this up to a HAI OmniPro II panel. X number of minutes after the sensor trips I will use the HAI to enable the "high speed" relay, while disabling the low speed relay if active.


Wiring:
I will be using this dual relay to switch between off, low speed, and high speed. I will use a solid state speed control on one leg of the relay. Never used, one any suggestions? I was looking at one from here, but I might be able to find something at home depot or radio shack just as easily.
Here is what I think the wiring diagram will look like:
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Construction:
The bench itself will be constructed with ventilation slits at the top to draw fresh air into the box and a large rounded hole (think Tom&Jerry Mouse hole shape) for entry and exit. The beam sensor will be setup to catch any felines crossing the beam sensor via that single entry.



Anyone done anything like this? All feedback is appreciate.
 
I have a situation where I use these products to run a HEPA filter when there is litter box activity to keep down the dust. It's not tied to any automation systems as I didn't think there was a need.

http://www.wattstopper.com/products/detail...type=Commercial

http://www.wattstopper.com/products/detail...type=Commercial

The relay module is not the exact module I am using but it gets the point across.

Essentially I have the relay module and the motion sensor mounted and wired to a metal 4"X4" electrical box with an outlet in the cover. I used a power cord rated for the load to supply power to the box of goodies. It is secured to the box through a romex connector. The relay module supplies 24vdc to the motion. The motion turns on when there is movement in front of the litter box. The motion will time out after 4 minutes (user settable) and will restart the timer if motion occurs during the current timing cycle.

Does it meet code? Not really sure. Does it work? Sure does.

A picture is worth 1000 words but I am at work on lunch. No Pic yet.
 
We have a CatGenie automated litter box. The scented and non scented cartridges are sickening (recently changed to Simple Green and refill the cartridges myself since its cheaper and smells better). So is the stench of the waste when there is a malfunction. Also the one cat will pee outside the litterbox if there is a malfuntion when we are not home (or if he is mad).

I installed a bathroom vent fan directly above it and run it 12 hours a day. Even though the vent fan is oversized for the size of the laundry room it still does not keep the smell from reaching the rest of the house. Cat waste just smells horrid even though we have the CatGenie cleaning 4 times a day although it is better with the Simple Green.

We use odor-ban as a disenfectant for the floor and it smells better but can also be over powering if you dont dilute it enough.

Ideally I think if you could spray a little of the odor-ban into the box just after a cat does its business it would help a lot until you can clean the box.
 
Lots of good comments and some good alternative methods provided in this thread.

Any specific feedback about the beam sensor approach? Anyone used the beam sensor I linked to? Anyone have experience with other beam sensors they could recommend for this application?
 
I've got you beat. I couldn't stand the stench of the litter box in the mud room (that was already equipped with a fart fan). So I mounted a mag contact on the wall next to the box, a magnet on the box and placed a fulcrum under the box. Theoretically, when the cat would step in, the cat box would tilt slightly on the fulcrum, placing the contact (wired to a zone on the OPII) into an "alarm" state, fire off a Radio RA command for the fart fan's switch and run the fan for 20 minutes. The first time the cat stepped in the box and it tilted, she flipped out. She hasn't poo'd indoors since (something like two years now. She just heads out into the neighborhood to do her filthy business. Win. Win.
 
What if you used an occupancy sensor in the box instead of the beam detector? It might be less expensive. I'm not sure how those react to cats, though.

You might want to put some code in your OPII to count the number of times the box is entered. With some experimentation, you should be able to determine a good value for triggering a console message to clean the box.
 
Depending on the type of litter you use just remember you will need to wipe the dust off any type of sensor on a regular basis, so keep that in mind for mounting.

Also when wiring the relays use the NC for the fan, and the NO for the second relay common wire, thus creating a safety making it impossible to turn both on at the same time.
 
What if you used an occupancy sensor in the box instead of the beam detector? It might be less expensive. I'm not sure how those react to cats, though.

You might want to put some code in your OPII to count the number of times the box is entered. With some experimentation, you should be able to determine a good value for triggering a console message to clean the box.

I had thought about that. I was worried that an occupancy sensor would be more likely to pick up false positives, for example us walking around the mudroom?
 
Depending on the type of litter you use just remember you will need to wipe the dust off any type of sensor on a regular basis, so keep that in mind for mounting.

Also when wiring the relays use the NC for the fan, and the NO for the second relay common wire, thus creating a safety making it impossible to turn both on at the same time.


MC - I had planned on running the relays through the HAI Panel and using programming logic to determine which relay to fire. Is it actually a problem if both are on at the same time? We were discussing this in #cocoon and came to the conclusion that as long as power is coming from the same breaker it doesn't matter if power flows through two paths at the same time.. It will still just be 110vac...
 
What if you used an occupancy sensor in the box instead of the beam detector? It might be less expensive. I'm not sure how those react to cats, though.

You might want to put some code in your OPII to count the number of times the box is entered. With some experimentation, you should be able to determine a good value for triggering a console message to clean the box.

I had thought about that. I was worried that an occupancy sensor would be more likely to pick up false positives, for example us walking around the mudroom?

I have had no issue with false positives with the occupancy sensor I am using. It's all in the placement of the detector and the location of the boxes.

Also, I have used my setup to "notify" me using an extension cord and a small lamp when we are home (temporary of course). You know, for those times when the vet must have the "sample". It never went off unless there was a cat there doing their business.
 
I think I found a better beam sensor for this project: PR-5B

Only requires power to one side. I am also looking at some curtain sensors as options.
 
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