UPB IN COMMERCIAL APPS

[LightenUP]

I am going to play with a three phase repeater. Are there any folks using UPB in a restaurant setting for lighting control? Are there any type of light commercial applications that you have been successful with?

I will guess that most current locations have some type of lighting control in the upper class or newly constructed businesses but not all.

Anyone ever approach a franchise headquaters in pursuit of landing a national account?

Would you advise against this ambition do to support issues or other unknowns?

 

[Event5]

I am going to play with a three phase repeater. Are there any folks using UPB in a restaurant setting for lighting control? Are there any type of light commercial applications that you have been successful with?

I will guess that most current locations have some type of lighting control in the upper class or newly constructed businesses but not all.

Anyone ever approach a franchise headquaters in pursuit of landing a national account?

Would you advise against this ambition do to support issues or other unknowns?

PCS has a long history of promoting "commercial" applications. Give them a call.

Dave

 

[AutomatedOutlet]

Yes, a lot of people are doing this. In fact, we use it in our double 3-phase building here.

 

[LightenUP]

I had the three phase repeater installed in our building and requested to have it where the power comes in to have access to all three phases. I beleive the electrician put it on a three phase sub panel. It has improved during preliminary tests but it isn't even close to 100%. There is a bit of noise which may pose an issue. My main question is does the repeater need to be where the service comes in from the road? The main panel not a sub?

Pretty awesome potential.

Thanks for any advice.

 

[AutomatedOutlet]

Not an electrician but i think it would have to go in the main since the sub panels may not have all 3 phases

 

[LightenUP]

This Sub has three.......is that unusual?

 

[Event5]

I had the three phase repeater installed in our building and requested to have it where the power comes in to have access to all three phases. I beleive the electrician put it on a three phase sub panel. It has improved during preliminary tests but it isn't even close to 100%. There is a bit of noise which may pose an issue. My main question is does the repeater need to be where the service comes in from the road? The main panel not a sub?

Pretty awesome potential.

Thanks for any advice.

Who manufactured the repeater? Have you called their tech support?

Dave

 

[AutomatedOutlet]

This Sub has three.......is that unusual?

Again, not and electrician. All I'm saying is that I would be surprised if the sub had all three.

 

[sharby]

I'm doing commercial buildings in New York City. You have 2 things to focus on:

1. NOISE: Check each phase for any type of line noise. A simple addition to a device can render UPB useless. I've worked with Simply-Automated with power line filters to ensure clear legs of power

2. Phasing: I've used 1 "2-Phase" converter on 2 of the 3 legs. I made sure that the switches were on the 2 phase only. The 3rd leg had noise that was unstoppable by motors.


Let me know if this helps.

-=*Sharby*=-

 

[mustangcoupe]

This Sub has three.......is that unusual?

I wouldn't call it unusual. Depends on what the business is and what there feeding off this panel. Most of our "sub-Panels" are 3 Phase, but there feeding 3 Phase outlets in different areas of the building.

 

[LightenUP]

Okay now I have more info from the electrician. The mains coming in are actually 277v then a transformer drops it to 208v in another panel then we have a three phase sub panel which feeds another panel upstairs for offices. I guess as long as the three phase panel and sub work I'll be happy. I guess there's not a way to get full control throughout. I'll report as we go along.

 

[PiSigma]

This Sub has three.......is that unusual?

It's not unusual to see them in buildings. With 3 phase supply, load balancing is trickier if panels are separated in single phase 120/208 vice 3 phase 120/208.

 

[PiSigma]

Okay now I have more info from the electrician. The mains coming in are actually 277v then a transformer drops it to 208v in another panel then we have a three phase sub panel which feeds another panel upstairs for offices. I guess as long as the three phase panel and sub work I'll be happy. I guess there's not a way to get full control throughout. I'll report as we go along.

Full control might be a stretch, however, I've done an installation where I've used an X10 wireless remote (XPPHR03) and two WGL Designs WG30082 X10 RF to UPB transceiver (one in each 208 transformer) which effectively "bridged" all of the 110 VAC lighting between separate transformer banks. Each transformer bank had a 3 phase repeater which is connected to a HAI Omni Controller. It is a roundabout way of bridging the UPB signals to different transformer banks.

PCS has a commercial version of UPB that can probably do the bridging more efficiently between transformers and different voltages ie 480/277/208/110

 

[Sacedog]

I wish I could do some lighting in our offices, but all of the lighting here is 277V, which is pretty common in new commercial construction in CA. Our building is about 6 years old now, but I think they have been putting 277V into commercial buildings for a while...once again in CA.