Desert_AIP said:I had this conversation with a friend who works for Microsoft.
We were discussing new technology like the Amazon Echo and I pointed out its fatal flaw is reliance on the cloud.
Something like that, for home automation uses,should not rely on the cloud to operate.
The cloud can enhance it but basic functionality should be local.
For instance onboard recording of the most used phrases.
Every day you might say "Turn on Kitchen Lights", there's no reason it needs to go to the cloud every day to process that phrase.
BraveSirRobbin said:Don't know if anyone is using Revolv, but this article does give a chilling look into what can happen with a cloud based technology.
wkearney99 said:It's been decades with literally almost NO progress being made by offline automation controllers. In the span of less than a year there's been an explosion of developments, much of which makes use of cloud-connected services. No doubt as things settle out there will be an evolution of local and cloud hybrids.
But please, don't paint some dire picture about the cloud being bad when local stuff has sucked ass for YEARS.
Dean Roddey said:None of this activity has actually made any progress towards a 'smart home'. It's mostly smart doo-dads because that's all that any of these companies can actually sell, since the actual problem of a smart home was and is still very hard (and that's what those, apparently sucky, other products are attempting to solve.)
If you reread my post, I stated the cloud can enhance functionality, but common repetitive actions should not require it. That's a waste of bandwidth. The device will probably need to refer to the cloud the first few times it encounters a situation, phrase, set of circumstances, etc. But on day 500?wkearney99 said:
You side-step mentioning Microsoft's considerable efforts to use the Cloud (Azure services). That and the near total dependency of the Xbox One consoles on an Internet connection. Few (none?) games will operate effectively without a constant cloud connection.
It's been decades with literally almost NO progress being made by offline automation controllers. In the span of less than a year there's been an explosion of developments, much of which makes use of cloud-connected services. No doubt as things settle out there will be an evolution of local and cloud hybrids.
But please, don't paint some dire picture about the cloud being bad when local stuff has sucked ass for YEARS.
IFTTT?IVB said:dumb question: Has anyone here ever seriously proposed moving automation to the cloud as opposed to adding an interaction model on top of their current structure?
Desert_AIP said:IFTTT?
Dean Roddey said:I think that the vendors of those products would be surprised to find that they've done nothing all that time. What's happened in the last couple years is a lot of standalone doo-dads and partial solutions mostly, many of which have already gone down the tubes and a lot more of which will yet.
None of this activity has actually made any progress towards a 'smart home'. It's mostly smart doo-dads because that's all that any of these companies can actually sell, since the actual problem of a smart home was and is still very hard (and that's what those, apparently sucky, other products are attempting to solve.)
wkearney99 said:The trouble has multiple fronts. One, the existing vendors have done a piss-poor job of marketing what comprises a 'smart home'. (This is a lot of the "nothing" I mention). Two, the customers are cheap (and rightly so). That doesn't leave a lot of room for revenue unless there's considerable sales volume.
I'm sure Blockbuster video felt the same way. Nobody is really going to stream video when they could have uncompressed local, right?wuench said:I which I could just get put into suspended animation for 5 years until this whole cloud hype/fad/bs blows over.
The Cloud = Cheap CPU + Cheap Storage - Performance - Security - Control + (1000 * Hype)