A/B speaker selector/switcher using IR?

etc6849

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I was having a hard time finding a cheap method to switch between two pairs of speakers. I would only want one pair at a time to be on, so no impedance checking would be necessary I'm assuming. I don't need volume control either.

What I'm trying to do is switch between two pairs of rear speakers (in this case towers and dipoles). The towers are great for dvd audio, but the dipoles are great for movies/tv viewing. I was thinking about using relays, but I thought I'd see if a commercially available method was available that uses infrared and also see what the pros do for stuff like this (as I'm a DIY'er).

My relay idea: I have a gc-100 with a 24 volt relay contact rated at 500mA. My idea is to use a simple double pole, double throw relay with the coil hooked to a resistor sized to limit the current seen by the coil or the contact (whichever is most limiting). The current limiting resistor would not be necessary if the coil has a high enough resistance... I think this cost is low, in the $10 range.

Here's the relay I picked out from a google search. QM2X1-D24 is the one I was thinking about using since it appears to have two led's that show the selected speaker. I run Premise, so I can write code to change the volume of the rear speakers through an RS-232 two way connection to the receiver so trimming would not be needed.

Would there be a loud pop as the relay is transitioning states? If so, I'm thinking I'd have code that mutes the system momentarily while switching speakers. Would the momentary lose of the rear speakers damage my amplifier? This I don't know. I believe newer receivers like mine would have no problem with the loss of the rear speakers momentarily as the relay transitions states. Any thoughts?
 
I think you just need an IR-controlled speaker selector switch - 1 amp feeding 2 pairs of speakers. Most speaker selector switches allow for 2 amps feeding 2+ speaker pairs. And some do both.

Xantech SR-21 appears to need some programming.

If you can do manual button presses, you'd save $100, compared with IR.
 
EDIT - I guess you are trying to use just one source and switch between the two sets of speakers. In that case, I don't think the AB-3.2 would work.

ORIGINAL POST - Russound make an automatic speaker selector called the AB-3.2. It has two inputs - one is the default and one is the secondary source. If both sources are active, then it switches to the default source. If only one source is active, it will automatically switch to that source. I'm not sure if you could build out enough logic with the sources to make it work, but if you could, then this wouldn't require the IR portion of your plan. You can also find them for around $75 which seems to be cheaper than the other suggestions so far.
 
Thanks everyone for the input. The AB8SS looks really nifty as does the Xantech option. However, I'm a hobbiest, so I can't really justify the $170+ (my wife tells me my Premise project is already over budget). Do you think the relay idea will work well? I'm tempted to just order a $5 relay and try it :) Too bad radioshack doesn't carry relays with 24 volt coils. Neurorad tells me I need a max 2 amps rating for speaker switching, so I would think any relay with a fast switching time and contacts greater than 2 amps will work (and of course a 24 volt coil). I was really hoping I wasn't going to be the ginea pig though and that one of you have tried this :D
 
My relay idea: I have a gc-100 with a 24 volt relay contact rated at 500mA. My idea is to use a simple double pole, double throw relay with the coil hooked to a resistor sized to limit the current seen by the coil or the contact (whichever is most limiting). The current limiting resistor would not be necessary if the coil has a high enough resistance... I think this cost is low, in the $10 range.
Too bad radioshack doesn't carry relays with 24 volt coils.
Are you sure you need a 24V relay for the speakers?
If the GC-100 has a relay output, then 24V is the MAX voltage its contacts can handle. You certainly could use a handy 12VDC or whatever relay. No resistor needed as the coil will only draw what it needs, but you will need an appropriate voltage source.
If the GC-100 has a 24VDC output, then yes, you do need another relay with a 24VDC coil.
 
Thanks Wayne, this is a very good point. I didn't have a real spec sheet for the GC-100 and the instructions before led me to believe the GC-100-12 has a 24 VDC output (it may not). I'll measure tonight. I may very well need an external power source. Luckily I have a lot of old plug in style transformers laying around to try.
 
I don't know what your budget is but there's this device: AB8SS.
I would be careful with HACS. In February the owner, Ray Newman sent an email to a bunch of folks saying he was out of money and a job and HACS was dead. I have not heard anything since so I would just be careful before I sent any money over there.
 
I want to use some relays to control some of the Elk flush mount speakers around my house for TTS. I am still trying to figure out how I can turn some off but keep the ohms correct for the receiver I am going to use. Is it just bad when the ohms are to low?
 
You could always use a double throw relay, and just install a resistor to the speaker's impedance on the other contact. The main advantage here would be the volume output would be constant. If you switch speakers 'off' their resistance would not be included in the overall impedance the output amp is driving and the volume may raise slightly as a result. You would have to watch the resistor's wattage rating if you plan on driving them hard though...
 
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