Anyone seen this yet?

The trilateration is the most intruiging to me; the rest I can do today if I want through other standards... but to know what room my cell phone was in when it died would sure go a long way!
 
Another KS project comprised of a couple of MBA types, some 20s something web developers, and probably not a single electrical or RF engineer among them. Good luck with that.
 
Not sure where all this hostility is coming from, c'mon folks, lighten up.  A browse of the forums shows there's more than just MBA types involved.  And I think we can all agree that fresh UI/web designers would be a breath of fresh air compared to a lot of what's been out there.
 
I'm not opposed to solutions that use cloud features.  It's ones that require the cloud connection that I'd reject.  All too often that's a sign of either lazy/incomplete programming or a money-grab.  Neither of which I'd want anywhere near my home.  
 
When a solution runs in on-premise gear it requires a lot of testing/reliability.  Updates and stuff HAVE to be known to work (even Nest hasn't gotten this totally right yet).  Half-done software or almost-there features can certainly be more readily developed when the target is up on the cloud.  But for things like home automation there's no place requiring the cloud for basic and scheduled control of the devices.  
 
Something that just proxies all connections to the cloud ain't gonna cut it.  Something that uses the cloud to overcome the various hassles of firewall or proxied connections, yeah, that's fine. 
 
Maybe for UI features, a la Logitech's Harmony, but not for daily operational use (aka Lowes Iris)
 
Look, can we please not start a pissing match about personnel types?  If that's what folk want, please go start a different thread for it.
 
I've worked with both types.  As the saying goes, let's not start pointing fingers, for we'll all lose an eye,
 
Everyone knows that BOTH MBAs and EEs are all idiots. Software engineers are the true heroes of the modern age :-) Four out of five dentists agree on this at least one out of five times asked.
 
Yeah. Let's not post any more cloud based crap on CT. THIS SITE IS ABOUT D.I.Y. DAMNIT!!!!!!! :rockon:
 
Cloud is just too easy! Who wants that?
 
Personally, I wouldn't give any of my money to a cloud based service for HA. Even if it were the only option.
 

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Seriously though, It's a cool idea but I think I'll wait until it's more refined and can stand on it's own before buying in to a technology that may not do well. I have alpha and beta tested too much crap for my job and also in the HA area. The older I get the more I just want things to work out of the box. Kickstarter also brings a whole other topic to discuss that would completely destroy this thread. I'll save that part for another time.
 
Yet that's not a cloud-BASED product.  There's reasonable room for using cloud (aka Internet) services.  Lots of stuff could benefit from not requiring a direct in-bound link to on-premise equipment.  Better to have someone's server taking the hit during DDOS and script-kiddie nonsense than the router at the house, right?  The distinction is whether or not the devices that utilize these kinds of services can also do so WITHOUT them.
 
As for DIY or not, well, at what point is something not DIY enough?  If it's installable, programmable and extensible in ways the customer can perform that's reasonably DIY enough in my book. 
 
wkearney99 said:
 The distinction is whether or not the devices that utilize these kinds of services can also do so WITHOUT them.
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Based on the limited description on the website and on blog forums, it appears that the product will HAVE to connect to the internet to do most of the stuff. You may be able to control your Hue light from a phone on the local wifi, but any rules or object tracking algorithms will have to run on the cloud server. This is what most cloud services are about, they cannot make a piece of hardware that will do the logic they are pitching, it is really a piece of software that used to be sold to a consumer to run on their PCs, but now will run via internet. The Nest thermostat is not really a "smart" piece of hardware, it is a gateway to a cloud run software. I can do a lot of the logic most cloud companies are pitching with my current automation setup. But the average consumer will most likely be satisfied with the cloud offerings, with or without realization that they give away information about their private lives to the highest bidder or a hacker.
 
I've actually loaded the NinjaBlock software on a Raspberry Pi to play with. You could do it on any linux based device I believe. It works without any internet and it's a lot of fun to play with. The software runs on an express server and the plugins and drivers are written in JavaScript. I assume the device will work the same way but you know what they when you assume :)
 
I just bought an Arduino board to hook up to all my old Radionics sensors and have some fun. Coupled with a Insteon PLM and a global cache device I was able to play with some lighting pretty easily. With my Xantech ZPR-6810 I was able to wire up a neat (but primitive) zone controller.
 
I think it's got potential.
 
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