Cheapest zWave in-wall switch

IVB

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I need an in-wall switch for a light/ceiling fan, and another that I can use for the kitchen where I can put CFL's in - the wife is beginning to get bugged at some stuff. But alas, I have no neutral in either location.

Is the Intermatic CA5100 at $65/each the cheapest out there? Does it require a neutral?
 
Sorry IVB,

Here a little blurb I found.

"Use this Z-Wave Accessory Switch to activate scenes on your Z-Wave network or in the slave position in a 3-way (or more) switch configuration. Unlike other Z-Wave switches, this Accessory Switch does not control loads directly. The Z-Wave Accessory Wall Switch is part of Intermatic's InTouch™ system, which uses Z-Wave wireless technology to communicate via RF for reliable and secure control. Requires "hot" and "neutral" wires, plus ground. This advanced mesh communication network offers effortless programming and maintenance, and the entire system can be easily expanded to suit the growing needs of a home or business. Link devices easily using the Hand-Held Remote Controller (sold separately)."
 
The Intermatic HA18C is a 15A relay, for $39.95. And there's a $20 rebate out there right now which you can use once.

It does require a neutral.

Chris
 
Any relay-type switches that don't require a neutral?

I've got about 25 Leviton 600w Vizia-RF dimmers (RZI06) - Homeseer sells them for $66.95, I've seen them slightly cheaper (I think it was $60) elsewhere but had to hunt. They're two-wire only, and have worked well for me. They have an 1800w two-wire relay - RZS15 - for $73 @ homeseer.
 
Any relay-type switches that don't require a neutral?

I've got about 25 Leviton 600w Vizia-RF dimmers (RZI06) - Homeseer sells them for $66.95, I've seen them slightly cheaper (I think it was $60) elsewhere but had to hunt. They're two-wire only, and have worked well for me. They have an 1800w two-wire relay - RZS15 - for $73 @ homeseer.

Well this looks like it's going to suck; I can't use a dimmer (putting in CFLs), and Leviton's spec sheet on this page shows that RZS15 requiring a neutral.
 
Any relay-type switches that don't require a neutral?

IVB, I would imagine that this is not news to you, but for the benefit of the casual reader...

The dimmer switches that do not require a neutral all specify a minimum incandescent load of about 40 watts. They keep themselves powered up by bleeding some current through the load. They need to have some minimal power supplied just to be able to respond to remote commands.

Relay type switches are generally expected to be able to control any type of load. They should be able to keep powered up without any knowledge of the type of load, thus the need for a neutral.

Having said all of that, I would be suspicious of a relay type switch that did not require a neutral connection.

In my 1958 vintage house, most all of the neutrals are connected at the light fixtures and the 'hot' line is run through a simple two wire switch. In at least one case, I have had to run a neutral wire down from the light fixture into the light switch box. That might be an option for you. The proper way would be to use the correct type of Romex instead of just adding a single wire.

Just some thoughts.

Ken
 
KenM, that is an interesting option, thanks. I guess I gotta spend some time in the attic before rushing into anything.
 
My solution to the lack of a neutral line is to re-wire the circuit. I add a new Line to the wall switch and disconnect the old Line at the ceiling light. The attached diagram shows the simplest situation where the load's electrical box contains two cables:
1. Line (power from the breaker panel)
2. Switch (control the load)

The original Line cable is disconnected and the wires are insulated with wire-nuts.

In my case, the ceiling light had three electrical cables:
1. Line
2. Switch
3. Other Load (Line continued to another light and switch)

In this situation you don't cap the ends but ensure the old Line and Other Load remained connected. The old Line cable just "passes through" the junction box.


For a two-level cottage, running a neutral wire from a 1st floor light to its switch is difficult and will often involved opening up the ceiling and wall. I found it easier to run a new circuit (or extend an existing circuit) to the wall-switch, by simply fishing the new Line cable from the basement (for 1st floor switches) or the attic (for 2nd floor switches). It is easier to run the cable from above the wall-switch than from below because it avoids the fire-break (the horizontal piece of 2x4 nailed between the studs). Wall switches are usually placed just above the fire-break so a cable coming in from above will not encounter it.

I use a 5' drill-bit extender to drill holes through a fire-break by starting from the basement. The margin for error is slim but so far I haven't "swiss-cheesed" any drywall!

My guess is that there are at least two things that are 'not-to-code' with my approach. A wire entering a junction box should be secured within 1 foot of the box. That's just not possible if you've fished a wire into a sealed wall! My technique also creates a junction box containing two separate ciircuits. Check the diagram and you'll see that the ceiling lamp's box now contains two circuits: the new one and the old one. You'd have to shut off two breakers to safely work in that box ... and if I were writing an electrical code I'd probably make that a no-no. Other than that, it works well and probably won't cause a qualified electrician to wince. ;)
 

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Prompted by the CEDIA thread, I was looking at the press releases and Cooper posted this:

Cooper Wiring Devices will be displaying a series of new “no neutral required” two-wire dimmers and switches as additions to the ASPIRE RF line at the 2008 CEDIA Expo.

http://www.hometoys.com/news_detail.php?id=16758317

Of course, others have posted about the RF9518 before here, so perhaps this "announcement" means they might actually be shipping?
 
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