ELK Burglar interior zone question

[signal15]

I put a door sensor in my gun safe. I set it up as Burglar Interior, because I don't want the alarm to go off unless it's armed on Vacation or Away mode. However, when I try to arm to Stay or Night mode, it won't let me do it when the safe is open. I then set the "bypassable" flag, but it did not return from bypass mode when the door became secure again.

It's my understanding that anything that is designated as Burglar Interior will not trip the alarm when armed in Stay and Night modes. So why does it care if these are insecure when I arm? Shouldn't it only care when I arm in Exit or Vacation modes?

Any suggestions on this?

 

[rfdesq]

I am a bit confused but I think what you are looking for is a force armable zone definition. See page 32 of the M1 installation manual.

 

[briankelly63]

What you've said makes sense but apparently it doesn't work quite that loosely.... There appear to be two ways to deal with this...

Quick Bypassing of Violated Zones
(Optional) The Quick Bypass feature allows you to bypass all violated zones
with a minimum number of keystrokes. * [see notes below]
To quick bypass any violated zones:
1. Press the Bypass key.
2. Enter 999
3. Press the Bypass key again.
4. If the quick bypass is accepted the Bypass light will be illuminated.
However, if any of the zones were non-bypassable an error tone will
be heard.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------OR

<> If the Ready light is flashing, it indicates the system can be armed even though
one or more zones are violated. This only occurs if the violated zones are
programmed as force-armable. Arming will temporarily exclude these violated
zones from the system. If a force armed zone becomes secure while the system
is armed, it will automatically become live, meaning that it can activate an alarm if
violated. This feature is handy for a garage door. The system can be armed while
the door is up. After backing out of the garage and closing the door, the garage
door will become normal and it will be re-included into service.

 

[signal15]

Force armable keeps the whole area disarmed until all zones become secure. This won't work in my situation. This whole thing might not be too much of an issue, but if I have the gun safe open because I'm working on guns or whatever, and try to arm to Stay mode, then it's not going to let me.

If I set it to bypassable, it puts it in bypass mode, but doesn't take it out of bypass when it becomes secure.

 

[rfdesq]

Force armable keeps the whole area disarmed until all zones become secure.

I disagree. Force armable keeps the zone bypassed until that zone becomes secure and then that zone is made active It does not affect the whole area it only affects zones. Why don't you make the gun safe zone a Burglar Perimeter Instant force armable. That way you can leave the safe open, arm to stay mode, work on your guns, when you are done, close the safe and it becomes armed. Just don't open the safe again until you disarm the system. Thoughts?

 

[signal15]

I will try force armable for it. Too late tonight, if I wake the baby I will incur the wrath of the wifey.

I don't want it set up as a perimeter zone, because I could be in and out of the safe several times in a night depending on what I'm working on, and remembering to disarm every time is not going to happen. It's pretty much a guarantee I will forget and set it off.

 

[nov0798]

Why dont you just disarm it when its open,and arm it when its closed?

 

[signal15]

Why dont you just disarm it when its open,and arm it when its closed?

That's not the point. I could do that, but it's inconvenient since I have to run halfway across the house to a keypad to disarm every time I want to open the safe. Technically, the safe IS an interior object, and when the alarm is armed on Stay or Night modes, there is no reason it should set off the alarm if opened. I'm trying to get my zones/logic set up for the way I live, not change my habits and life around a limitation in a security system. Once something becomes a hassle, even a small one, then people (including me) gradually stop using it. And while my wife doesn't typically go in the gun safe, if I set up anything else in the house that required her to change even a minor habit to avoid tripping the alarm, then she would stop arming it and complain about it all the time.

In the unfortunate situation where someone was creeping around outside a window and I noticed them before they broke in, I would want to be able to have access to the safe without setting off the alarm, or at least have that option. This isn't the safe I would go to in that situation, but what happens when I alarm the one that I would use?

In the end though, the whole point of the logic I put into this thing must make it so it fits my life, not so I fit the functionality of the unit.

 

[nov0798]

I have my gun safe set up on a different area. I just use the keypad in close proximity to the safe to disarm that area.
You can then create a rule that arms that area when a certain armed status us requested (away, night, etc).

This is how I have my basement set up. I can disarm the house, but the basement stays armed. However when my digsitter disarms the system, it automatically disarms the basement for her, and then rearms the basement when she renters her code.

I also wrote a rule that says if the basement is disarmed when the main house is armed, then arm the basement.

 

[jrmahler]

I put a door sensor in my gun safe. I set it up as Burglar Interior, because I don't want the alarm to go off unless it's armed on Vacation or Away mode. However, when I try to arm to Stay or Night mode, it won't let me do it when the safe is open. I then set the "bypassable" flag, but it did not return from bypass mode when the door became secure again.

It's my understanding that anything that is designated as Burglar Interior will not trip the alarm when armed in Stay and Night modes. So why does it care if these are insecure when I arm? Shouldn't it only care when I arm in Exit or Vacation modes?

Any suggestions on this?

Can you set up the gun safe as a seperate zone and use rules to arm and disarm based on the the main zone alarm status?