Help with Rule for Dialing My Cell Phone (M1G) SOLVED (X2)

[DIYitAll]

I’ve got the voice dialer calling my cell phone for any zone(s) becoming “not secure”, but the rule for the front door is the one I’m having trouble with.

Currently, what I’ve got is:
WHENEVER Front Door (Zn 1) BECOMES NOT SECURE;
AND AREA ARMED
AND EXIT DELAY ANY AREA IS NOT ACTIVE
THEN DIAL (my cell number) AND ANNOUNCE Burglary Message 1.

The problem is when I return home; I can’t set up a delay so that it doesn’t dial while I enter the user code within the entry delay period.

I’ve tried a number of ‘ANDs’ including AND ENTRY DELAY IS NOT ACTIVE, and also checked “Use dialer delay” for Zn 1 to no avail.

Am I not setting up the dialer delay correctly? Or do I need to change the sequence of ‘ANDs’ in the Rules?

Thanks for your help.

 

[jpmargis]

You need to use:

WHENEVER ANY ALARM, ANY AREA TURNS ON
THEN DIAL (my cell number) AND ANNOUNCE Burglary Message 1.

 

[wuench]

But there is only one voice amp, so the voice alarm on your speakers and announcing stuff over the phone won't work at the same time. The alarm will cut out when it dials your phone.
Better to not use the voice announcements over the phone and stick to text/email...

 

[DIYitAll]

You need to use:

WHENEVER ANY ALARM, ANY AREA TURNS ON
THEN DIAL (my cell number) AND ANNOUNCE Burglary Message 1.

Interesting, but...

At this point, I've got a rule written for each general zone, with customized VMs announcing exactly which zone was violated (Patio-Door-Is Open, Garage-Side-Door-Is Open, etc). This was done using various Voice (vm)'s, such as (vm239), (vm240),...

If I use WHENEVER ANY ALARM, ANY AREA TURNS ON, won't it negate all of the other custom zone announcements? I'd like to not lose this specific zone reporting if at all possible.

Please note that this is all brand new to me, so all of the rules I've created are basically by trial-and-error and exploring the software. As I'm sure you're all aware, (it appears that) there's no Bible for all of this stuff, so your wisdom is most appreciated.

FWIW, this is a land-line only setup at this time.

Thanks again.

 

[DIYitAll]

But there is only one voice amp, so the voice alarm on your speakers and announcing stuff over the phone won't work at the same time. The alarm will cut out when it dials your phone.
Better to not use the voice announcements over the phone and stick to text/email...

Sorry for the double-response, but I forgot to mention: I am not using a speaker at this time, I'm strictly using a siren on Out 1.

 

[jpmargis]

If I use WHENEVER ANY ALARM, ANY AREA TURNS ON, won't it negate all of the other custom zone announcements? I'd like to not lose this specific zone reporting if at all possible.

As far as specific zone reporting, I'm afraid it's all or none. I don't know of a way to accommodate the entry delay.

 

[DIYitAll]

Thanks for your replies...I will keep trying more options and report back if I have success.

 

[video321]

Currently, what I’ve got is:
WHENEVER Front Door (Zn 1) BECOMES NOT SECURE;
AND AREA ARMED
AND EXIT DELAY ANY AREA IS NOT ACTIVE
THEN DIAL (my cell number) AND ANNOUNCE Burglary Message 1.

Try this:

WHENEVER Front Door (Zn 1) BECOMES NOT SECURE;
AND AREA ARMED
Then turn output XXX on for XX seconds.

Whenever output XXX turns off
And alarm is active
THEN DIAL (my cell number) AND ANNOUNCE Burglary Message 1

Set output XXX to an unused output
Set XX to be 1 or 2 seconds longer than the entry timer.

 

[DIYitAll]

Great, I'm glad to see more ideas...since I'm a newb, can you clarify/explain a couple things?

First, what is "turning on" an Output actually doing? I selected output 003, ELK then gave me 006. Okay, fine, I then settled on Out 10 to write the first rule you suggested, I just don't understand what turning on an output does within the system.

Secondly, on the second rule you suggested:
Whenever output XXX turns off
And alarm is active <--- please see below for whether I used the correct statement...
THEN DIAL (my cell number) AND ANNOUNCE Burglary Message 1

Here's what I wrote for the second rule:
WHENEVER Output 010 (Out 10) STATE IS TURNED OFF
AND ANY BURGLAR ALARM, ANY AREA IS ACTIVE
THEN DIAL (my cell number) AND ANNOUNCE Burglary Message 1

Does it look like I've interpreted your suggestion correctly? I'm gonna go try it.

Thanks for your patience!

 

[video321]

First, what is "turning on" an Output actually doing? I selected output 003, ELK then gave me 006. Okay, fine, I then settled on Out 10 to write the first rule you suggested, I just don't understand what turning on an output does within the system.

Don't use output 10 as that is a "real" output - I always start at the highest available output and work backwards from there. In this case, the output you're turning on/off only needs to be a "phantom" output which is being used as a counter/timer. Think of using it as a "pause" in your rules.

Secondly, on the second rule you suggested:
Whenever output XXX turns off
And alarm is active <--- please see below for whether I used the correct statement...
THEN DIAL (my cell number) AND ANNOUNCE Burglary Message 1

Here's what I wrote for the second rule:
WHENEVER Output 010 (Out 10) STATE IS TURNED OFF
AND ANY BURGLAR ALARM, ANY AREA IS ACTIVE
THEN DIAL (my cell number) AND ANNOUNCE Burglary Message 1

That would work. When I wrote the rule I didn't remember the exact wording of it - I should have mentioned that.

 

[DIYitAll]

Video321: It works! That's a brilliant solution, I can't thank you enough. (I ended up on Out 100.)

To wuench's point above: there is an outstanding glitch present, I just didn't notice it because I had my siren (Out 1) disconnected during my testing. So, the siren blares during initial zone violation, then promptly quits 6 seconds later when the dialing begins. Once I accept the call, cancel with # then 'End' the call, the siren will resume ~55 seconds later. I can live with that, but...

I was planning to add a few Screamers to the system...I'm wondering if I could put them on, say, Output 101, then write a rule stating "Whenever alarm is active, then turn on Out 101 for 10 minutes" or something to that effect. Then, even when the interior siren cuts out, the Screamers will continue (or not?).
Option 2: Move interior siren to Out 2 (not running any exterior noise at this time) and perhaps it won't cut out when dialer activates.

Or are there power output / amplifier issues with that? (Complying, of course, with ELK requirements on Out 2 loading.)

ALSO SOLVED: I put the ELK speaker that came with the kit on Out 2/Siren Output, and disconnected the Brinks-provided siren that was on Out 1. I'm assuming I can add Screamers to the Out 2 siren circuit.

Thanks again, all.

 

[video321]

ALSO SOLVED: I put the ELK speaker that came with the kit on Out 2/Siren Output, and disconnected the Brinks-provided siren that was on Out 1. I'm assuming I can add Screamers to the Out 2 siren circuit.

I wouldn't do that.
You don't want screamers on output 2 - add them to output 3 so you can control when they come on. Simple example... do you really want screamers going off while you're in the house and the alarm becomes active? Further, output 2 is active during any type of alarm - fire, water, etc. Also, put the speaker on output 1 and the brinks siren on output 2. That will give you full voice and a siren going off even during a "stay" alarm.

 

[DIYitAll]

I'm spent! I just spent 2 hours perusing this forum for "multiple sirens" and related posts.

Your point is well-taken regarding the screamers on output 3...sounds like the plan. In all, what you're saying makes sense.

Upon a closer look, it turns out the Brinks device is nothing more than a speaker, so evidently the old Brinks board had a siren driver. I guess this means that during an alarm, the M1's output 1 was driving a siren sound.

I must be really different than most other Elk users; other than the voice dialing messages, I simply do not want my alarm speaking to me, at all. For that matter, I wish I could mute my keypad. I want a passive system that lies dormant until I arm it for security purposes, either while sleeping or while away. My arming options are set to be very straightforward and I only have one entry door set with a delay. I think, for my needs, output 1 serves almost no purpose...unless I'm overlooking something. (Other than the fact that it's performing the voice feature to the phone dialer.)