Help with some lightning automation!

klaus

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First, sorry for my bad english. Im from Brazil.
 
I need some assistence. I want to buy a home automation device, im thinking on Vera (Anyother sugestion? Dont need to be Z-wave).
 
My mother has a LOT of lights in a big living room that she wants to control. We dont need to control them all separetely. But there are a lot of groups.
 
What should i do?
 
I was thinking if i buy a lot of these switches, and then buying some controllers. It will work? ( i cant link the switches, but they are like  Aeon Labs Aeotec Z-Wave Micro Smart Energy Switch, 2nd Edition)
 
Thank you!
 
Do you have 50 Hz or 60 Hz, 120V or 220Vac?
 
The ISY994i is a good system for Insteon or Zwave but no interface to 50Hz.
 
Welcome to Cocoontech Kaus!
 
Lighting automation technologies and said automation of the "light switch"  is changing fast these days (relatively writing)
 
Have a read here on the forum.
 
Many friendly and lighting automation informed folks here.  Read what they write about relating to lighting automation.
 
The discussions related to lighting automation sometimes can get a bit heated (argumentative) between the old, present and the future.
 
Think of it as entertainment as you decide what would work best for you. 
 
The standards of electricity are not one today globally; therefore consider what works best for you where you are at in Brazil.
 
I see Brazil adopted NBR 14136 electrical standard in January 1, 2010.
 
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I have been to your country for work (well Sao Paul / Rio de Janeiro) a few years back.  It is beautiful there.
 
I was just looking at a you tube video announcement relating to the availability of Z-Wave there.
 
http://youtu.be/Z0CMadWHX8s
 
 
Initially it was approval of new radio frequencies for use with Z-Wave a couple of years back.
 
There are many users here on Cocoontech using Z-Wave and Vera.
 
Nice, Pete!
 
I love Brazil, but not this NBR Standard haha..
 
The Project is really big and is messing with my mind.
 
I will try to simplify my problem (i could show the project, but i cant link anything)..
 
I have 13 sets of lamps (with and without dimmer, but thats not the question) and i want to control them all separetely.
 
The thing is: all cables go to one place, and apparently z-wave don't have anything that support this groups (am i right?). So i will do group by group.
 
And i want you to cooperate with me. What do you think is the best solution on this case?
 
Thanks guys!
 
Have a look at this website. It is Canadian and you may find something closer to you or better pricing but they have many different brands to look at.
 
www.aartech.ca
 
 or
 
www.smarthome.com
 
I have 13 sets of lamps (with and without dimmer, but thats not the question) and i want to control them all separately.
 
The thing is: all cables go to one place, and apparently z-wave don't have anything that support this groups (am i right?). So i will do group by group.
 
13 sets of multiple lamps can be controlled with 13 switches to where the cables go.  !3 switches in one place isn't difficult.   You can control the set as one group or create multiple groups with software.  In my old home I had one area with 8 automated switches in one 8 gang wall box.  It was a bit tight due to the sizes of the switches; it did work.
 
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Here I tinker a bit with Z-Wave and have used the Vera product, Homeseer, Leviton HAI OPII and playing with a new product called the Almond +.  The Almond plus talks zigbee and z-wave.  Its a bit away from sales yet.
 
I am not sure if you can purchase outside of country or in country?  What is recommended in Brazil for Z-Wave products?
 
Personally for work only have dealt purchasing in country or via a import broker for Brazil.
 
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Nice!
 
Do you recommend use "micro illuminator dimmer" by Aeotec?
 
I was thinking if i could use them to get rid of some switches and use scenes instead (Im afraid if just stop working, i wont have an ON/OFF)
 
I will figure out a way of doing it aesthetcally hehe..
 
Be careful buying  wireless products!
 
Different countries allow different frequencies and equipment is not compatible between some countries.
 
Do you recommend use "micro illuminator dimmer" by Aeotec?
 
Baby steps.
 
I am not familiar with the device.  The Z-Wave devices in your country have been approved for sale.  That said there were radio spectrum laws and use of said specific radio spectrum done prior to said approval for sale of sale Z-Wave devices. 
 
Note that what is being sold there is unique to your country relating to devices and control or management of said devices. 
 
Indeed that sort of narrows your choices of Z-Wave device to what is being sold in your country by Z-Wave vendors.
 
The above noted while wireless automation works fine; there are propagation issues that can crop up with infrastructure. 
 
Much of this is sort of taken care of by the methodology of how the Z-Wave devices talk to each other. 
 
So right now we are looking at 13 sets of lamps using Z-Wave microilluminators? 
 
Do you have an over view picture of the infrastructure relating to placement of the Z-Wave switches, controller, et al?
 
Note here I like to tinker with various technologies.  That said my light switches are using a powerline technology called UPB.
 
Today the automation lighting technologies utilize wires, powerline, powerline/wireless hybrid and wireless. 
 
Wireless technologies utilized today are Z-Wave, Zigbee and 802.11X.  (I may have missed something here).
 
New controllers are cropping up using all of the wireless technologies such that you have a choice for a "best fit" wireless automation device.  That said it depends too on what your country has approved for use relating to the wireless spectrum.
 
I am aware of z-wave in Brazil.. I've spoken with the main company here and they still have remaining US Z wave here.
 
This guy said that the list of devices here is short, its growing but is short. On top of that there are no z wave sellers around where i live.
 
I chose to import from US.
 
I don't want to use varius technologies because i dont want a lot of diferent "controllers". And it will be more expensive this way.
 
I will post the picture later. Then we can have a look together.
 
Any of you alrealdy used a raspberry+z-wave (raZberry)?
 
Any of you alrealdy used a raspberry+z-wave (raZberry)?
 
Here I am also playing with a device called the Homeseer Zee which talks X10, Insteon and Z-wave.
 
http://store.homeseer.com/store/HomeTrollerZee.aspx
 
Its utilizing propietary software running in Linux / Mono.  I have purchased the Zee and have been testing Homeseer on Ubuntu 14.04.
 
There is a trend these days relating to opensource automation.  Its easy today and it is free.
 
I am today playing with OpenHab.  If you want to tinker it works fine with numerous automation technologies.  It would be a DIY that you could fit on one controller such that you could manage multiple automation hardware devices. 
 
http://www.openhab.org/
 
The trending here is a combo hardware automation hub that works with a variety of wireless and wired technologies.  
 
Another tiny automation device is the Almond Plus is a tiny combo firewall router / wireless access point and zigbee / z-wave automation controller.  Its tiny.  Officially though its not being sold on the open market yet.
 
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2037429657/almond-80211ac-touchscreen-wifi-router-smart-home
 
Have a read here relating to radio spectrum and use of Z-Wave and Zigbee (December 2013)
 
The future of home automation – ZigBee or Z-Wave?
Mark Grazier -December 14, 2013
 

There has been an ongoing debate between which technology is the best overall solution for Home Automation: ZigBee or Z-Wave? Obviously one will win but can we predict which one?
                                                              
According to the ZigBee Alliance, ZigBee Home Automation offers a global standard for interoperable products. Standardization enables smart homes that can control appliances, lighting, environment, energy management and security as well as the expandability to connect with other ZigBee networks.

On the other hand, Sigma Designs explains Z-Wave as a wireless RF-based communications technology designed for control and status reading applications in residential and light commercial environments. Target applications for Z-Wave are home entertainment, lighting and appliances control, HVAC systems and security.

So what is the difference then?
 
Comparison
 
As one can read in the introduction, both technologies address similar environments and applications. Let’s dive into the details in order to find out the differences, as well as the pros and cons of using each technology.
 
PHY and RF
The first obvious difference is in the physical layer. Z-Wave took the Sub-1GHz approach, which has superior range versus the 2.4GHz approach of ZigBee. However, Sub-1GHz home automation requires different SKUs for different regions. How many? Well it depends – for Australia and Brazil this is 921.4MHz, China and Singapore at 868.4MHz, Russia at 869MHz, India at 865.2MHz, U.S. at 908.4MHz and Japan at 2 other bands. So there is no “one product fits the whole world” solution as there is with the ZigBee Home Automation.
 
Z-Wave uses frequency-shift keying (FSK) modulation and I believe this is good enough for the Sub-1GHz environment. ZigBee is based on direct sequence spread spectrum (DSSS) which is a more advanced and robust modulation.
 
Here are two very practical notes:
  • ‒    Both ZigBee and Z-Wave are mesh networks, so usually you can rely on the mesh to connect remote devices which do not connect directly.
  • ‒     Due to the use of the Sub-1GHz range for Z-Wave, there is a need for a larger antenna. Usually 2.5 times larger. As we all want to have smaller products, it actually limits the range advantage of the Sub-1GHz technology.
 
Available Silicon and SW
When it comes to availability of silicon and software, there is a huge difference between ZigBee and Z-Wave.
 
ZigBee chipsets are developed and manufactured by multiple silicon vendors including Texas Instruments, Atmel, Silcon Labs, Freescale, STMicroelectronics and more. Whereas, Z-Wave products are only manufactured and sold by Sigma Designs.
 
If we compare packaged modules – the picture is the same, multiple ZigBee module makers vs. very few of Z-Wave (I found only the Digi-Sigma Designs collaboration).
 
When it comes to software, there is even a bigger gap. ZigBee software has multiple vendors. Larger silicon manufactures will develop their own software and provide that to their customers. (Texas Instruments, Silicon Labs, etc.)
 
Protocol aspects
Both ZigBee and Z-Wave are supporting mesh network topology, which is a strong requirement towards the revolution of “internet of things”.
 
The number of nodes you may support with a single Z-Wave product is limited to 232 (theoretically), however practical use cases will support a 10 nodes network. The number of nodes you may support with a single ZigBee network is 65,000 (theoretically), however practical use cases support a 500 nodes network (on a single channel, single PAN ID). IEEE 802.15.4 networks (the foundation layer of ZigBee) can practically support thousands of devices. Perhaps more than the network capability to run a specific number of nodes, it’s important to look at the memory capabilities of the devices. ZigBee devices has wider set of memory options, up to 512KB of Flash and 32KB RAM from certain silicon providers, hence they can for sure handle more nodes in their networks.
 
Interoperability is a big issue. The Z-Wave protocol is not open, and can be provided only under licensing with Sigma Designs and can only run on their silicon receivers. The Z-Wave devices will interoperate well with similar Z-Wave devices. The challenge is the limited set of devices and architectures you can support. ZigBee on the other hand, as an open industry standard, will allow interoperability with any ZigBee certified device. ZigBee has defined several profiles per market segments. The ZigBee Home Automation standard is fully interoperable with a variety of devices such as door locks, sensors, alarms, smoke detectors, blinds, motor control etc.
 
The same device can also interoperate with other profiles such as ZigBee Light Link (LEDs, CFLs, light sensors, light switches, etc.). There are a few silicon vendors that are providing a complete interoperable solution today. One example is Texas Instruments who is providing the CC2538 device, which can fully interoperate between ZigBee Home Automation, ZigBee Light Link and ZigBee Smart Energy networks.
 
 
http://edn.com/design/analog/4426050/The-future-of-home-automation---ZigBee-or-Z-Wave-
 
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