Pics of 28" or larger panels with boards intalled w/ ELK-SWG
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BraveSirRobbin
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My blog has some
drvnbysound
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BSR,BraveSirRobbin said:
As the OP stated, your install (as with most) have the boards mounted flat... not mounted to SWGs. I too have looked for Elk installs with SWGs installed and have yet to find any.
I too have my Elk in a 28" SMC... I need to get an updated picture to share, however I didn't use SWGs either.
BraveSirRobbin
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I didn't like the SWG's because they felt too cramped. Also, all of the commercial access control stuff I install has the boards mounted flat by design and I have come to like that look. This is after a redo of some old quick and dirty installation work I did previously. It is still a work in progress but is much better than it was. Did you ever hear the saying that the plumbers house has leaks......
This is the detached garage panel with more of a finished look, but still a work in progress.
This is the detached garage panel with more of a finished look, but still a work in progress.
This was an in-process picture and I'm not completely happy with it, same as Gatchel's house, except it's the shoemaker's children ^_^ I was limited since I was converting from one system to another and was under the gun by the boss.
To use the SWG's, you need to plan on leaving the first row open for cabling on most larger systems, then it's all about dressing the cables into harnesses, or that's how I do the panels. If there's time, I go the cable lacing route, and in the case of a surface mounted panel, I like having a trough and then pipe the M1 enclosure to it. You also need to have a general idea of which boards and modules fit where and which holes on the enclosures.
I can't compare the M1 to an access control panel, since an access control install has far more cables and conductors to deal with, with a lot more density. The largest item to think about is strain relief and supporting the cables so they're not pulling on the phoenix connectors.
BraveSirRobbin
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Having done this both ways, there seems to be pros and cons with either method. The sideways mount definately saves space, but I personally don't like trying to access the terminal strips with a screwdriver in that configuration. Of course, you don't get into those everyday, so that is a factor.
If mounting the boards 'flat' I would not use the plastic 'spring type' standoffs as the board will easily come off anytime you try to tighten a terminal screw. It is a lot easier to access and monitor status lights, though it does take up a bit more room in the panel.
If I had to do it over again, I would use plastic standoffs/washers and screw the boards into the back of the panel, or use the blank mounts, mount the boards to that, then install those as their black snap in mounts are pretty secure (for smaller boards).
For what it's worth, a couple of pics are attached below...
If mounting the boards 'flat' I would not use the plastic 'spring type' standoffs as the board will easily come off anytime you try to tighten a terminal screw. It is a lot easier to access and monitor status lights, though it does take up a bit more room in the panel.
If I had to do it over again, I would use plastic standoffs/washers and screw the boards into the back of the panel, or use the blank mounts, mount the boards to that, then install those as their black snap in mounts are pretty secure (for smaller boards).
For what it's worth, a couple of pics are attached below...
I second the thanks for the pictures using the SWGs.
I spent most of my bench testing on the logic/config side, and I didn't get much of a chance to muck around with physical placement of the SWGs and boards - now everything has been packed up and won't be unboxed again for 4-5 months until I'm ready for install.
So if anyone else has pictures of 28" cans using SWGs for input expanders, DBHs, power supplies and batteries across a few cans I'm interested.
For the moment I'm sticking with 2 x 28" cans in one location and a single 28" can in another location purely to hedge my bets in case I run out of room.
Jozza
I spent most of my bench testing on the logic/config side, and I didn't get much of a chance to muck around with physical placement of the SWGs and boards - now everything has been packed up and won't be unboxed again for 4-5 months until I'm ready for install.
So if anyone else has pictures of 28" cans using SWGs for input expanders, DBHs, power supplies and batteries across a few cans I'm interested.
For the moment I'm sticking with 2 x 28" cans in one location and a single 28" can in another location purely to hedge my bets in case I run out of room.
Jozza
BraveSirRobbin
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The word 'clip' instead of 'spring' should have been used in my above post to more adequately describe them after second thought.Neurorad said:Thanks, Gatchel. I didn't know they were springy.
Neurorad
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Came across this pic today from member Photon, while searching other stuff.
It's not mounted in an enclosure, but it shows SWGs in use.
From this thread http://cocoontech.com/forums/topic/10548-who-what-where/page-2
It's not mounted in an enclosure, but it shows SWGs in use.
From this thread http://cocoontech.com/forums/topic/10548-who-what-where/page-2