pictures of elk m1g panels

[newalarm]

I was wondering if anyone could post some pictures of installed M1G panels. I want to see how people organized them. I started out by installing panel at the top (we have a 28" tall box) but it does not leave much room to bring in the wires, plus the battery then needs a support shelf since wires are too short.

Also, the ethernet adapter has a box and requires power. I would assume just installing it directly into the panel and getting rid of the plastic box?

Thanks in advance.

 

[inline]

That's what I did, I removed the ethernet adapter from that black box and installed directly into the panel box. I also got rid of the AC adapter and applied power right from the ELK unit itself so as to ensure the backup battery would power this unit and to eliminate another wall-wart.

 

[chrisexv6]

I pulled M1EXP out of the plastic box and slid it into a set of the vertical glides mounted in a 28" can.

The board on the M1EXP doesnt have the notches to lock into the slides (ELK: take note, add the notches), but it stays there pretty well. Just to be sure Im going to add a wrap of electrical tape around each slide so the board cant slide out by accident. And I will eventually power it off an aux power supply that I picked up, so I can eliminate the wallwart.

 

[newalarm]

chrisexv6, did you mount the m1g board all the way at the top? Seems like this is what most people do.

 

[chrisexv6]

chrisexv6, did you mount the m1g board all the way at the top? Seems like this is what most people do.

Yep. Ill take pics when I get a chance (wont be home until later) but I put the main panel where the holes are for it (vertical top, horizontal center). Added a zone expander basically below the left side of the main panel, a PD9 power board to the right of the zone expander (the 4 wire zone wires come down to the expander then fan out for signal on one side and power from the PD9 on the other side), and the ethernet expander is tucked into the upper right corner of the can. Each of the add-on boards are in a set of vertical glides so the footprint is very small.

Added a battery shelf below the main panel.

I have my contact wires coming in thru the leftmost conduit hole in the top of the can and data/fire wires are coming in through the rightmost conduit hole in the top. I think thats why the panel is centered, personally....if you move it right or left you end up directly underneath those conduit holes, which might become a pain if you have a lot of wires coming in (Im up to probably 22 zones or so and even with just 22/2 wires the bundle gets pretty hefty pretty quickly)

 

[Del91574]

It took me a couple of panels to "get" how the enclosure really goes together with the various circuit boards and still remaining logical, but after doing it and seeing the end results, the layout is very logical and works well.

As stated, ditch the plastic enclosures for the circuit boards, like the XSP and XEP and get SWG's. PD9's, if used, work best on the small flat plates and standoffs that are sold separately.

The M1 gets put top center, with the EXP mounted either top right next to the panel or bottom right, the limiting factor being the length of the 232 cable. I've found that you can mount a battery shelf to the mid-right and still fit the smaller boards like the XEP, XSP and retrofit hubs below. I've put the full sized boards to the bottom left of the can, eating up the first row for wiring space, then making harnesses for each plug, so to speak, The only item that would get dicey and is limited by cable length would be a M1RB, since that typically plugs into the J header and is limited by the plug length. In the cases I've had to use them without XOVR's, I've had a second enclosure mounted to the right of the main enclosure via close nipples or short stubs of pipe and passed the cabling through them, negating most issues.

I've always preferred bringing my cables into a panel to the top left where possible, then work left to right in the can, working in "levels" and harnesses, either lacing the bundles or using scrap cable (solid) to bundle cables over ty-raps (take more room). I don't like, wherever possible, splitting a ton of cabling into multiple KO's and sides of a can.

If you use stranded cable, it'll automatically take more space because of the insulation size difference.

Once you get about 4-5 expanders (RB's, XOVR's, XIN's) you should start looking at a second or subpanel anyways, and if you're going to lay boards flat or use those that mount flat (212s' or PD9's) the same holds true. IMHO, for most applications, I've come to the belief that the standard hub for RJ45's makes wiring more complicated, especially for separating out power loads or keypad expansion/outputs, not to mention takes a ton of space to maintain any bend radius within the enclosure.

 

[bucko]

Here is a pic of my layout. When I finally do the complete install, obviously the kypd's, speakers, will be relocated.
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[newalarm]

Hey Bucko, Nice clean install. Like it. I like this wire management system. I wish i had though of that prior to buying the 28" inclosure.

DELInstalations, thanks for the great tips. This really helps get my mind around it. I am new to all this, but like thinks clean and organized. I pulled wires like crazy when the house was under constructions, so I will probably not use many wires. Also, have some 22/6 (given by friend) that does indeed take up more room. Where do you end up putting data hub when you use them?

 

[dos46]

Here is a pic of my layout. When I finally do the complete install, obviously the kypd's, speakers, will be relocated.

What AMP product is that? Will you eventually cover that or keep it exposed?

Looks neat.

 

[Del91574]

Hey Bucko, Nice clean install. Like it. I like this wire management system. I wish i had though of that prior to buying the 28" inclosure.

DELInstalations, thanks for the great tips. This really helps get my mind around it. I am new to all this, but like thinks clean and organized. I pulled wires like crazy when the house was under constructions, so I will probably not use many wires. Also, have some 22/6 (given by friend) that does indeed take up more room. Where do you end up putting data hub when you use them?

I don't use hubs, with the exception of DBHR's (when needed). I don't believe they save any work and in actuality, make it more difficult to loadshed the power in addition to use the keypad inputs and outputs. I usually pull a heavier cable than a Category, typically a 22/8 or 22/10 and then make my 485 splices within the can directly. Many can argue it doesn't "look" as clean as plugs, however it saves space and allows easier breakout of the power and inputs/outputs as mentioned.

I can't view his pictures on the page, but I'd guess he's either using panduit or finger duct. You can use that adjacent to the panel for cable management, but keep in mind, you'll still have to add the appropriate grommets, chase nipples or similar. For cable management, I've found some cable lacing and judicious usage of ty-raps with the built in screw mounts to work well for the bundles. I try to build a panel by each section, then make something like a "harness" and with the M1, land the cables, then plug and final dress the wires.

I've seen people use other manufacturer's enclosures, however I've put together some monster M1's in 1-2 28" Elk cans with 0 issues or extra holes needed. The only exception is when more power and battery sizes are needed, then I look at the 212S' and other supplies and battery enclosures.

 

[Mike P]

Hi,

In my home, I did what I do on commercial projects. I have a large Hoffman box with a metal back plate. I custom drilled for standoffs for all boards. I have the M1, ethernet adapter, 3 serial expanders, 5 zone expanders, and 2 output boards. I still have room for a few more boards as the system grows. I then installed panduit between the boards for wire management. I then installed Altronix AL600 power supplies with pd8 boards to power all external devices, each device has its own fuse. If you want to see a pic, let me know.

Mike

 

[BraveSirRobbin]

Mine I was in a hurry to get this all up and running (long story).

 

[bucko]

Hey Bucko, Nice clean install. Like it. I like this wire management system. I wish i had though of that prior to buying the 28" inclosure.
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What AMP product is that? Will you eventually cover that or keep it exposed?
Looks neat.

The Amp wire management is something I picked up in Shenzhen. They are nicely made of steel. My system will be mounted exposed. I'll take the board and mount it to the wall. The spaces on the left side above the panel is where I will have my batteries sitting in a try I am building now.

All this, along with my server racks , video/ audio distribution equip, amps, ups, conditioners, etc will go into a dedicated server room I have built into the first floor of my place. The room is secured with a stand alone FP access system.

 

[treo650]

Just put of curiosity, and you certainly do not have to answer,

How much was the amp wire management? In USD

That thing looks sweeet

 

[kevkmartin]

Here's mine.


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