Russound Keypad in LV Bracket

[felixrosbergen]

Hi All,

Does anybody kow if the small Russound UNO S1 keypad fits inside an LV bracket attached to a HV box? I noticed the other day that the available space in a LC bracket is sgnificantly less than in a regular 1 gang box.

Also do other audio solutions keypads fit in such a bracket?

My plan was to have the cabling (16/4 and Cat5) in the wall and when i want to activate it, cut the sheetrock and attach an LV bracket to the gangbox. Would this work?

 

[pkoslow]

If your talking about the Carlon stick-on low voltage brackets (SC100SC), then no, the Russound UNO keypads won't fit.

I knew that ComPoint & A-Bus wouldn't fit, so just went and tried an UNO-S1 as well the KPL keypad for the CAS44 & CAA66 systems. They are all too wide to fit in and line-up the wall plate. It seems far enough off that I don't think you could make this work even with a bunch of cutting and grinding...

These stick-on brackets seem designed for low-voltage wiring like adding some phone or Ethernet jacks next to a high-voltage box... I don't think any of the audio keypads I've worked with would fit in one.

Cheers,
Paul

 

[felixrosbergen]

I've come to the same conclusion, the carlon stick on boxes only leave enough space for quite narrow components, a 4 slot quickpoint will probably fit, but maybe not even that.

My strategy is now to do one of the following:
1) have the electrician use HV boxes with an extra gang that will accept a divider to seprate the HV from the LV

OR

2) have the electrical run the cat5 and speaker by the HV gang box and put a LV box nearby/above the HV box, grab the wires from the wall and connect them.

SHould the russound keypad fit in a 1 gang slot of a multigang HV box when using a HV/LV divider??

 

[pkoslow]

The keypads will fit in a high voltage box with a divider installed...

You may consider your options #2 installing the UNO keypads higher for better visibility. I install mostly UNO-S2's and set them about 53" from floor to the bottom of the keypad. The UNO-S1 works a little better at standard keypad height because it's only 1-gang and blends in better with the switches. The smaller 5 character display is also less useful than the 12 character display on the UNO-S2 so you probably won't be watching it too often to read the meta-data.

Cheers,
Paul

 

[felixrosbergen]

The keypads will fit in a high voltage box with a divider installed...

You may consider your options #2 installing the UNO keypads higher for better visibility. I install mostly UNO-S2's and set them about 53" from floor to the bottom of the keypad. The UNO-S1 works a little better at standard keypad height because it's only 1-gang and blends in better with the switches. The smaller 5 character display is also less useful than the 12 character display on the UNO-S2 so you probably won't be watching it too often to read the meta-data.

Cheers,
Paul

Hi Paul,

Thanks for the reply...i'm still undecided...

Since i don't plan on siting in front of the keypad to watch the metadata i think i woudl prefer the less intrusive UNO-S1. Then i plan to run CQC on the home server and run video out to the TV (possible via CAV6.6) CQC's functionality should allow me to see the metadata much better.

Does this sound workable? You recently pointed me to a software package that essentially does this...it even looked like they used CQC as their front end.

Not sure what i'll do in the end...thinking about having the electricial make the boxes 1 gang bigger at key locations. Then i'll either use this for a OnQ ALC screne switch (need HV gang box) or the UNO-S1. If i want both in the same location I'll just put an S2 at 53" as you suggest.

 

[jleach8]

The keypads will fit in a high voltage box with a divider installed...

You may consider your options #2 installing the UNO keypads higher for better visibility. I install mostly UNO-S2's and set them about 53" from floor to the bottom of the keypad. The UNO-S1 works a little better at standard keypad height because it's only 1-gang and blends in better with the switches. The smaller 5 character display is also less useful than the 12 character display on the UNO-S2 so you probably won't be watching it too often to read the meta-data.

Cheers,
Paul

Just curious, I am installing my 2-gang boxes right now for Nuvo keypads. What is the standard height? I have the bottom of the box around 51". Does that seem about right?

 

[WayneW]

You may consider your options #2 installing the UNO keypads higher for better visibility. I install mostly UNO-S2's and set them about 53" from floor to the bottom of the keypad. The UNO-S1 works a little better at standard keypad height because it's only 1-gang and blends in better with the switches. The smaller 5 character display is also less useful than the 12 character display on the UNO-S2 so you probably won't be watching it too often to read the meta-data.

Cheers,
Paul

Just curious, I am installing my 2-gang boxes right now for Nuvo keypads. What is the standard height? I have the bottom of the box around 51". Does that seem about right?

I installed mine at about 54" to be level with an existing M1 keypad, but without a lot of deep thought, and have been happy with it. So I would second PK's suggestion.

 

[felixrosbergen]

Whats the typical height for outlets/cable jacks and for wall switches?

 

[ASIHome]

I believe it is 18" to the bottom of the j-box/mud ring for outlets/jacks and 48" to the bottom of the j-box for switches. For Thermostats/Keypads/Touch Screens/Audio Control, we usually use 60". Unless of course you are going to gang them with switches.

Anybody?

 

[Ranger Digital]

Why would you want audio signals in the same gang box as HV? Wont that cause interference?

 

[86turbodsl]

I believe it is 18" to the bottom of the j-box/mud ring for outlets/jacks and 48" to the bottom of the j-box for switches. For Thermostats/Keypads/Touch Screens/Audio Control, we usually use 60". Unless of course you are going to gang them with switches.

Anybody?

There is no official standard. One electrician I know of uses a hammer to set the height of the receptacles.

I try to put the light switches at a standard of 44.5" to the bottom of the plate, and touchpads a bit higher.