Scout Alarm, a DIYer system

[BobS0327]

Scout Alarm website https://www.scoutalarm.com/
 
I just read an article about Scout Alarm receiving innovation money from Amazon for integrating Alexa into their product.  This system appears to be designed for use by the DIYer.  Also, the security alarm subsystem  is UL CERTIFIED not UL listed.  Rumor has it that they are also trying to get UL certification for the fire alarm subsystem. 
 
This system is appealing to me as a possible replacement for a really old system that I currently use.
 
Does anybody have any "hands on" experience with this product?.

 

[Del91574]

UL certified means zero. That means it's not allowable for true monitoring and means zero in the case of insurance rebates. UL listing is what an alarm system must have. UL certified is the lowest of the low on the totem pole for UL, monitoring and systems.
 
I think you're mistaking a CERTIFICATED installation, which is an entirely different animal.
 
There really isn't much different between this and any of the closed product offerings or professional monitored panels.

 

[elvisimprsntr]

Another crowdfunded startup, which will be bankrupt in 12 months. Leaving you with a bunch of paperweights.

 

[BobS0327]

UL certified means zero. That means it's not allowable for true monitoring and means zero in the case of insurance rebates. UL listing is what an alarm system must have. UL certified is the lowest of the low on the totem pole for UL, monitoring and systems.
 
I think you're mistaking a CERTIFICATED installation, which is an entirely different animal.
 
There really isn't much different between this and any of the closed product offerings or professional monitored panels.

 
First my disclaimer, I know almost nothing about code requirements etc for fire/burglar alarm systems.  But I thought that Ul recognized, UL listed and UL certified were the equivalent of good, better and best. 
 
I did revisit the Scout website and discovered that ONLY the monitoring service is UL Certified not the actual hardware.  My bad.

 

[Del91574]

No.
 
Recognized means it's only been tested as a component of. No guarantee of performance as a system as a whole. Parts may be compliant, but execution may not.
 
Listed means it has been tested to and meets known standards.
 
Certified only means the components going into a larger product meet UL standards, not the assembly of the parts as a system. Sub components, like power supplies, circuit boards and items limited to a single product.
 
The only one that really matters for alarm would be listed. The remaining mean zero.
 
About other items, but similar in nature:
 
https://www.controlbooth.com/threads/ul-listed-vs-ul-recognized.14879/ 

 

[BobS0327]

Thanx for clarifying the differences.  I tried to go to the link but it's broken. Got the following message:


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The requested page could not be found.

 

 

[ano]

Thanx for clarifying the differences.  I tried to go to the link but it's broken. Got the following message:
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The requested page could not be found.

Try: https://www.controlbooth.com/threads/ul-listing-importance.24300/#post-214698

 

[Del91574]

Try: https://www.controlbooth.com/threads/ul-listing-importance.24300/#post-214698

Post disappeared overnight.
 
Secondary explanation http://forums.mikeholt.com/showthread.php?t=154642

 

[RAL]

Post disappeared overnight.
 
Secondary explanation http://forums.mikeholt.com/showthread.php?t=154642

 
The post is still there.  For some reason, there are some garbage characters on the end of the URL in your earlier post. I think this one will work.
 
https://www.controlbooth.com/threads/ul-listed-vs-ul-recognized.14879/

 

[Del91574]

I like the one Mike Holt's forum has better now, a lot more analogies that pass through.