Wallpaper removal

miamicanes

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OK, I've now come almost full circle. My original plan (before I got physical possession of my new house and found out what horrors actually await behind the walls) was to bore holes for 4 conduits between the first and second floors, and run wires for everything behind the drywall. Then I found out that actually drilling the holes as a DIY project will be damn near impossible, and discovered that 90% of the walls have only a 3/4" gap between the drywall and concrete wall. And when I finally got past THAT obstacle, I discovered that what little gap there is is mostly filled with expanding liquid foam, so the only truly clear path I still have available to me is behind the baseboards at floor level. Sigh. So much for my conduit-filled dreams of a fully-wired home. At least, at this point (when paying several thousand dollars to have it done professionally is completely out of the question). ;)

That leaves two possibilities for my alarm: wireless (for the sensors not located near an old phone jack whose wiring is being repurposed as a RS-485 control bus for the M1G), and conduit buried in the drywall itself (then patched over). Both of which have problems of their own:

* My motion sensors (Bosch 820i), glassbreak sensors (Ademco 1625), and glass shock sensors (Rokonet Shocktec) all need 12v. So even if I buy a bunch of DW-319 wireless door/window sensors just so I can repurpose their transmitters for the motion, glassbreak and shock sensors... I still need to get 12v to them somehow.

* The walls in the living room are covered with textured & painted wallpaper. If I cut any holes in the drywall, I'm basically going to have to strip off the wallpaper, re-texture the walls with knock-down texture, and repaint the living room, because there's no way to fix the wallpaper cuts after the fact.

At the moment, I'm leaning towards the second option... saying 'f**k it', destroying the living room walls, and repainting them after I've patched the channels cut in them for the rectangular conduit (it looks like Wiremold's plastic wiring channels will do the job, even if they're officially intended for surface wiring). Mainly, because I'm going to have to repaint the living room eventually anyway, and I'm otherwise just stalling the inevitable. But that leaves one more challenge -- how the HELL do you remove 20+ year old painted-over textured wallpaper that's almost certainly fused to the drywall's surface paper without destroying the drywall in the process? If I'm talking about two walls (one that's 18x8, and one that's 15x8), would the cost of the tools and supplies I'd need to strip it approach or exceed the cost of just paying someone to do it?

God, I'm so frustrated. I've been in my new house for almost a week, and have almost nothing to show for it because the damn wiring problem has dominated almost all of my time (and induced me to burn several hundred dollars at Home Depot and Lowe's on tools and supplies after hitting dead end after dead end) :(
 
OK, I've now come almost full circle. My original plan (before I got physical possession of my new house and found out what horrors actually await behind the walls) was to bore holes for 4 conduits between the first and second floors, and run wires for everything behind the drywall. Then I found out that actually drilling the holes as a DIY project will be damn near impossible, and discovered that 90% of the walls have only a 3/4" gap between the drywall and concrete wall. And when I finally got past THAT obstacle, I discovered that what little gap there is is mostly filled with expanding liquid foam, so the only truly clear path I still have available to me is behind the baseboards at floor level. Sigh. So much for my conduit-filled dreams of a fully-wired home. At least, at this point (when paying several thousand dollars to have it done professionally is completely out of the question). ;)

That leaves two possibilities for my alarm: wireless (for the sensors not located near an old phone jack whose wiring is being repurposed as a RS-485 control bus for the M1G), and conduit buried in the drywall itself (then patched over). Both of which have problems of their own:

* My motion sensors (Bosch 820i), glassbreak sensors (Ademco 1625), and glass shock sensors (Rokonet Shocktec) all need 12v. So even if I buy a bunch of DW-319 wireless door/window sensors just so I can repurpose their transmitters for the motion, glassbreak and shock sensors... I still need to get 12v to them somehow.

* The walls in the living room are covered with textured & painted wallpaper. If I cut any holes in the drywall, I'm basically going to have to strip off the wallpaper, re-texture the walls with knock-down texture, and repaint the living room, because there's no way to fix the wallpaper cuts after the fact.

At the moment, I'm leaning towards the second option... saying 'f**k it', destroying the living room walls, and repainting them after I've patched the channels cut in them for the rectangular conduit (it looks like Wiremold's plastic wiring channels will do the job, even if they're officially intended for surface wiring). Mainly, because I'm going to have to repaint the living room eventually anyway, and I'm otherwise just stalling the inevitable. But that leaves one more challenge -- how the HELL do you remove 20+ year old painted-over textured wallpaper that's almost certainly fused to the drywall's surface paper without destroying the drywall in the process? If I'm talking about two walls (one that's 18x8, and one that's 15x8), would the cost of the tools and supplies I'd need to strip it approach or exceed the cost of just paying someone to do it?

God, I'm so frustrated. I've been in my new house for almost a week, and have almost nothing to show for it because the damn wiring problem has dominated almost all of my time (and induced me to burn several hundred dollars at Home Depot and Lowe's on tools and supplies after hitting dead end after dead end) :(

Eight years ago I bought my house and had similar wall paper problems. It was actually easier to rip out the sheetrock for me. I re-insulated and rewird before re-rocking.

In your case you may not want to rip out the sheetrock but maybe sheetrock over it? Be careful of walls with doors and windows that may need to be reframed. If you sheetrock over it actually minimizes noise etc.

Ceilings are grat to rock over it they are in bad shape as it helps retain heat, minimize noise, and is less messy then ripping out first.

Just an idea. Good Luck I know its a ton of work!
 
I'm afraid removing wallpaper is not a clean or easy task. Your options are either steam or use a paper tiger that put lots of tiny holes in the paper, then coat wall will lots of paper removal gel. Then a putty knife and ALOT of aggravation and mess. Then a good rinsing to get all gel off. The only good part is that knockdown will cover lots of stuff. Or - it may in fact just be easiest to rip out the drywall, run your conduits/wires/etc and re-rock it.
 
What about removing the baseboard, cutting out some of the drywall behind them and running the wires that way? If the motion sensors were put close to the ceiling, the wires could be dropped down from above (drill up at an angle to hit behind the baseboard)?

As far as removing wallpaper, I had to remove an eight inch border that my wife put around a room. I swore I'd never try to remove wallpaper ever again. I also don't try to do drywall anymore, I put up the 'rock and have it plastered. My wife thinks I getting lazy, but I think I'm just figuring out how long my patience can last...
 
Have you considered surface mount conduit? That is the small squarish conduit mounted on the surface...typically used to run additional electrical wire. It can be seen but could avoid major surgery on your walls.
 
(and induced me to burn several hundred dollars at Home Depot and Lowe's on tools and supplies after hitting dead end after dead end) :(
Several hundred? Lightweight! ;) New house=thousand $$$

Stripping wallpaper sucks. I won't do it again. However, get something called DIF and a garden sprayer that can spray a fine mist. Mix the DIF with really hot water and spray the wallpaper to really saturate it. Scrape well. Get brother to fill all the gouge marks from the scraper. Get brother to paint room.

Actually on the "get brother" part, he is in FL...

Good luck.
 
miamicanes,

I'm not sure what brand of alarm system you are using or your new house layout. Is it possible for you to locate a zone input board in a strategic location on the first floor then only run one wire to the the alarm control panel on the second floor?

Rod
 
make sure you wear a resiprator/eye protection and clean up carefully when you are done. Under the wallpaper could be lead based paint. That and any chemical or dust can be an irritant especially when you are run down from working so hard.
 
If your wallpaper was installed on painted walls, it is much easier to get off. It is still a pain, but if the paper was installed straight onto the drywall, it is virtually impossible to get off without gouging and ripping the drywall up. So you'll have to do quite a bit of drywall repair to get the walls back in decent condition.

Unfortunately, with a house that age, I suspect the wall paper was installed right over the drywall.

Been there and it sucks.....
 
Judge_I said:
What about removing the baseboard, cutting out some of the drywall behind them and running the wires that way? If the motion sensors were put close to the ceiling, the wires could be dropped down from above (drill up at an angle to hit behind the baseboard)?
The floor is a reinforced concrete suspended slab, cast in place on a corrugated steel pan deck. I broke two bits trying to drill through it before someone pointed out that I need to use a hammer drill to do it.

I can, and will, run wires behind the baseboards. I even bought ten 8' Wiretracks. It's the vertical runs through exterior walls that are killing me, because there's no open space between the drywall and concrete... it's filled with foam insulation that was presumably poured in and hardened in place (kind of like the mold-in-place foam packing material that gets used for shipping some stuff). I'm kind of cheating in the living room, because there IS one interior partition wall with big storage room on the other side, and I've been drilling holes for the wires where they need to be (on the living room side), then drilling another hole (on the storage room side) just above the baseboard, fishing the wire through, and running them along the surface along the baseboard out of public view in the storage room.

make sure you wear a resiprator/eye protection and clean up carefully when you are done. Under the wallpaper could be lead based paint. That and any chemical or dust can be an irritant especially when you are run down from working so hard.
I'll take your word for it about the irritants, but I won't be losing sleep over lead. The house was built in 1982... long after lead-based paint was banned from new construction, and at least a decade after "everyone" knew it was bad to use. Even if someone had an old stash of paint, it would have had to have been stored indoors the whole time, because just one or two summers in a hot Florida garage would ruin just about any paint.

rrockoff said:
I'm not sure what brand of alarm system you are using or your new house layout. Is it possible for you to locate a zone input board in a strategic location on the first floor then only run one wire to the the alarm control panel on the second floor?
Actually, that's what I'm attempting to do right now. I'm using the old in-wall phone cable (6 wires) with a M1XIN and 2 keypads ;-)
 
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