4 wire smoke alarm

[jpmargis]

You aren't listening, so try this.

You have a 4-wire smoke detector. Connect the red wire to +SAUX. Connect the black wire to power NEG. Connect the blue wire to a Zone. Connect the yellow wire to zone NEG. Configure the connected zone for definition 10 type 5.

This has virtually zero chance of working.

I am out.

 

[Goldfix]

You aren't listening, so try this.

You have a 4-wire smoke detector. Connect the red wire to +SAUX. Connect the black wire to power NEG. Connect the blue wire to a Zone. Connect the yellow wire to zone NEG. Configure the connected zone for definition 10 type 5.

This has virtually zero chance of working.

I am out.

Ok so tried this and it gave me a fire trouble alert on my keypad. I then tried changing the type to 6 and trouble message went away. The keypad now tells me no zone violation and the system is ready to arm.

 

[tmbrown97]

Goldfix - you have absolutely no idea what that wire goes to or how it works - so why connect it to your panel?

Something about your install makes no sense - the best I can assume is that someone put a relay on your LV smokes to trigger the alarm - but according to everyone on this board, that's considered a bad idea. Also - you don't even know if there is a proper EOL resistor, etc. You have no idea what'll happen if that smoke detector goes off, how to reset it, etc.

In my opinion, you should disconnect it from your panel for now until you track down what's going on.

IF I'm right, that someone actually hooked the relay into your supervised 120VAC smokes, then the reason it goes to the 2nd floor is that it would need to come from the last smoke in the circuit - they are daisy chained.

You can't go plugging random wires into your panel without knowing what they do - for all you know there might've been 120V on those wires and you could've smoked your whole panel.

Don't just plug wires in if you don't know what they are, and try random settings until you get what looks like the correct result!

 

[Goldfix]

I do have a relay plugged on the side on my electoral panel. Let me see if I can follow the wire and see where it goes.

 

[Goldfix]

Goldfix - you have absolutely no idea what that wire goes to or how it works - so why connect it to your panel

Your right I don't know where it goes but I assumed that since it worked for my DSC panel to alert the central it should be good for the M1. I have a relay connected next to my electrical home panel. How do I know where this wire goes to and if the relay I see as anything to do with my smoke detector. Any help on this or are you guys annoyed with me

 

[newalarm]

If you have a line tracer, that might help finding your wires. It is a small device that generates a tone and you detect it with a wand. But your wire gauge should give you an indication of what is what to (most of the time). Solid 12 gauge I believe would be used on a 120v system.

 

[tmbrown97]

We just don't want you to hook things up if you don't know what they are - especially if you're considering having it alert the central station. If you don't know what it is or how to hook it up, it surely won't work the way you expect when you need it. Also for 2-wire, I believe you need an EOL resistor - you don't know if you have that or if it's the right one.

Are there any part or model numbers on this relay? Can you take a picture and post it here?

As newalarm said - if you know how to trace wires and have a tracer, that's always a good way. Here is what a lot of pros use - there are some cheaper ones, but I can't vouch for their quality.

 

[video321]

Goldfix/Pitbull... whatever your name is...

This forum has extremely knowledgeable members that are always willing to help other members - and will do so to the best of their ability. However, for them to be able to help you, you need to start helping yourself. Read the manual, then read it again, and again until you comprehend it. Better yet... do some searches on the forums to gain some valuable information. That's what I did and before I even purchased my panel I had a good understand of it's strengths and weaknesses.

 

[Del91574]

Assumptions regarding how it worked (or didn't) aren't helping us or you. Hard facts are what is needed.

If you don't know how it works (or worked) or how it's wired, nobody can assume and guess. In the case of fire alarm, you're doing a disservice and someone's either going to get hurt or worse.

If you're guessing, then you're honestly better off not connecting it.

 

[Goldfix]

As requested here is a picture. Any idea if this can be something related to my post?

 

[video321]

That looks like a doorbell.

Seriously.... read this:
http://cocoontech.com/forums/topic/22038-4-wire-smoke-alarm/page__st__15#entry179511

 

[tmbrown97]

Oh man... that's the transformer for your doorbell most likely (as Video321 said). There's one stashed around just about every house. It doesn't have to do with your alarm panel.

Like DEL said - if you don't know what it is, you should disconnect it from your panel. Then, if it's marked 2nd floor smoke detector, you should go poking around your 2nd floor smoke detector (only one? I have 7 on my 2nd floor!) and see if you can find a relay device attached at/near it with wiring that matches what you're seeing at the panel.

 

[Del91574]

Bowing out. Somebody's in a project they shouldn't be touching.

 

[Goldfix]

Your right this is not my field of expertise and I'm trying to learn. The old system was added my an alarm company, registered electrician and all was done per code. Obviously all worked well on the DCS panel. How else can this small wire be coming down from a 120 volt smoke detector. I will never repost of on this forum. But if anybody knows how the m1 can accept my smoke detectors please share. All worked perfectly on DCS why not on M1

That's it this was my last post.

 

[Goldfix]

I did some more looking around and found a system sensor device on the 2nd floor. This is the detector that is going to my panel. The yellow and green are connected as auxiliary and black and red as negative positive.