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Connecting x10 switch transmitter to wifi?

dogbone

Member
I have 4 button x10 wall switches in several locations. They have gotten to where they are not reliable in activation the x10 receiver. Is there a hardware piece that would convert the signal to a wifi output so I could use a wifi outlet of some sort?

I originally had them set up to turn on four zones of eve lights around the house, but now only a couple of switch locations actually work anymore.
 

BraveSirRobbin

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LarrylLix

Senior Member
ISY994 can convert X10 signals to almost anything you desire. Mind you, you would have to know the protocol of the WiFi device to control it.
You may be better to convert to Insteon devices. They are much more reliable, mostly compatible with X10,  have a much further range, use a checkback and repeating signal system, and use a dual band mesh protocol.
 

batwater

Active Member
dogbone said:
I have 4 button x10 wall switches in several locations. They have gotten to where they are not reliable in activation the x10 receiver. Is there a hardware piece that would convert the signal to a wifi output so I could use a wifi outlet of some sort?

I originally had them set up to turn on four zones of eve lights around the house, but now only a couple of switch locations actually work anymore.
Does the receiver control other x10 power modules to turn on/off the eve lights?  If yes, then culprits could be noise or signal attenuation on the AC power line. Or your receiver is really old and the electronics are failing.  WGL Designs has X10 receivers that can be connected to other control software.
 
I started with X10 back in the late 70s, yes, it's been around that long. I have modules that still work from that original purchase, that is, if all the stuff that we plug into our power didn't make a bunch of noise (florescent fixtures, refrigerator compressors for example) or are attenuated by battery backup units throughout the house.  I gave up on X10 long ago and went with UPB, much stronger signal on the power line.
 

pete_c

Guru
Here still utilize a WGL W800RF32A with wireless keypads. I extended the range on it many years ago purchasing a Radio Shack scanner antenna mounted in the attic.

I also went to using Jeff Volp's TW-523 dual phased emulator which is mounted next to the fuse panel. It is X10 on steroids and has worked fine for over 10 years now.

Over the years did also migrate from X10 (started with this stuff in the 1970's) to Insteon then to UPB for my in wall switches.

I used to use X10 remote keypads it to remote control my sprinkler system outside as I would clear my lines out every fall rather than paying $100-150 per year to do this.

Today still using X10 for my Christmas Lighting which is all on one House code and I check it out outside with an X10 remote keypad. I am still using outdoor Black and Decker Freewire X10 controllers for the Christmas Lightning.

Today utilize a mix of automation protocals and testing new stuff. Main is UPB, aux is ZWave and Zigbee and X10. New is WiFi modded firmware switches (not in the cloud control).

By passing software / W800 you can purchase one or more of the X10 751A Deluxe Wireless Base Transceiver Modules for $20 each and use these.
 

dogbone

Member
this is the switch I have, I've got 5 of them and when I originally installed them they worked great. And sometimes now they work great, but most of the time it's a hit or miss. 
 
https://www.amazon.com/X10-XPT4-W-NS-4-Button-Keypad-Transmitter/dp/B004UBBV0I
Looks like everyone has mostly drifted away from X10 and I understand.
 
I bought a little wifi outlet that's controllable with my phone for a couple of items and it really works great. The only issue is I really like the convenience of flipping a wall switch as opposed to getting my phone out. 
Is there any such thing as a wall switch (maybe a four button one, lol) that will activate a wifi connected outlet. Understand that none of my current 4 button switches are actually connected to any load, they were set up as simple x10 transmitters.
 

dogbone

Member
I actually have a HAI omni controller that I used to use for automation. Mainly now just just it as an alarm system. It is connected to a Hometroller Pi, but honestly I have not dived into that in a while to see if there is an option there that might work.
 

pete_c

Guru
Here still utilize my Omni Pro 2 as the heartbeat of the home relating to security and automation.  I have the Volp dual phased TW-523 emulator connected, UPB PIM, Z-Wave VRCOP and Zigbee ZIM connected to the OmniPro 2 panel (and Russound and Omnistat and Omnitouch screens and OmniTouch Pro tabletops running).  I also have Homeseer touch screens all over the place here which also connect to the Omnipro panel.  It never debends and keeps ticking as old as it is technology wise. I have upgraded it a bit with using Homeseer software and a Omni panel to MQTT plugin (and Home Assistant). I still have a serial connection running to the panel (3 mechanisms of management here).
 
Relating to Homeseer or not Homeseer you have a couple of options without spending too much...IE: today X10 is still working as well or better than it ever did.  

I am running Homeseer Pro here and Homeseer Lite (Z-Troller) except its running on a micro PC and Ubuntu 18.04 and Oracle Windows 7 embedded for SAPI speech.  
 
1 - You can connect a W800 and a CM11A to Homeseer and put a better antenna on the W800.  My original set up covered my entire home and property and most of the court I lived it.  The neighbors used wireless X10 for their Chrismas lighting and I could control it from my home across our little court of 5 homes.  As mentioned I had the antenna in the attic.  I also had the W800 in the attic connected to Homeseer in the basement of the 2-story via long RS-232 cable.  I did the same for the irrigation system running a long RS-232 cable to the sprinkler box which was in the garage.
 
2 - purchase 1-3 of the X10 751A Deluxe Wireless Base Transceiver Modules for $20 each and just have the wireless keypads work directly with the X10 751A's by passing any software mechanism.
 
Here continue to test / use X10 in Homeseer using a W800 / CM11A.  Works great.  You can also today you can tell Alexa to control Homeseer devices and do TTS via Alexa.  

I am Pete on the Homeseer forum. Ask me there about what you need Homeseer wise if you want to go that route.
 

tmbrown97

Senior Member
It sounds like it's time to bite the bullet and start upgrading.  The fact that your wall switch is wired in means it's sending powerline signals, not RF, which means many of the converters mentioned above are probably not applicable.  Leviton has wifi switches and they have a very similar 4-rocker switch for them; Lutron has their Caseta line which works awesomely (same protocol as the RadioRA2 professional solution), or there's Z-Wave or UPB.  UPB is kinda dead in my opinion (as an ex-user of it, this is disappointing)... Wifi may have device limits with all that noise on your wifi; z-wave works pretty well but may need some occasional maintenance - so there's no obvious solution (ok Maybe Caseta if you like the control pad options). 
 
Time to do some research and pick a new protocol I think.  I was a UPB user in the past, and while I really like it, the fact that they never kept up and bridged into modern consumer applications or integrated with Alexa or HomeKit is really disappointing.  It worked really well for me otherwise.  When I moved out of my house that had ~70 UPB switches, I moved to RadioRA2 and couldn't be happier except when it comes time to pay for it - it's quite expensive - but there's nothing better than laying in bed, watching TV on my AppleTV and just saying "Hey Siri, turn off the lights" and it does.  Good luck in your research - and if you want to ask questions, enough of us here have experience with all the protocols.  I've personally used Zigbee, Z-Wave, UPB, Hue, and RadioRA2.
 

pete_c

Guru
 It is connected to a Hometroller Pi, but honestly I have not dived into that in a while to see if there is an option there that might work.
 
I was a bit involved in the first Homeseer OmniPro panel plugin which worked via a serial connection. 
 
Then again for the Homeseer 3 Omni Panel plugin which works via Ethernet.
 
Give the Homeseer Omni Plugin a try.  Ask Rob or me if you have any issues with it.  
 
I'm a bit biased about Homeseer because I have used it now since the original Homeseer 1 came out in the late 1990's.
 
Today my home is an automation sand box of sorts which sometimes is low on the WAF.  That said it keeps me busy.
 
 
 

dogbone

Member
Work2Play said:
It sounds like it's time to bite the bullet and start upgrading.  The fact that your wall switch is wired in means it's sending powerline signals, not RF, which means many of the converters mentioned above are probably not applicable.  Leviton has wifi switches and they have a very similar 4-rocker switch for them; Lutron has their Caseta line which works awesomely (same protocol as the RadioRA2 professional solution), or there's Z-Wave or UPB.  UPB is kinda dead in my opinion (as an ex-user of it, this is disappointing)... Wifi may have device limits with all that noise on your wifi; z-wave works pretty well but may need some occasional maintenance - so there's no obvious solution (ok Maybe Caseta if you like the control pad options). 
 
Time to do some research and pick a new protocol I think.  I was a UPB user in the past, and while I really like it, the fact that they never kept up and bridged into modern consumer applications or integrated with Alexa or HomeKit is really disappointing.  It worked really well for me otherwise.  When I moved out of my house that had ~70 UPB switches, I moved to RadioRA2 and couldn't be happier except when it comes time to pay for it - it's quite expensive - but there's nothing better than laying in bed, watching TV on my AppleTV and just saying "Hey Siri, turn off the lights" and it does.  Good luck in your research - and if you want to ask questions, enough of us here have experience with all the protocols.  I've personally used Zigbee, Z-Wave, UPB, Hue, and RadioRA2.
I knew somebody would know the answer! The Leviton 4 button switch looks like the ticket I'm looking for. It should fit where my x10 is now and I can add a plug in for it to control, plus use their app as a bonus.

Amazon has them discounted currently so I'm giving it a shot! Thank you for addressing all the options!

I'll need to do a little rewiring on other end, but not a big deal.

Now, any leads on a decent 50w led outdoor floodlight? Some of the ones I see are just junk and don't last. My halogens don't hold up up well but do put out a lot of light. Can't wait to get my outdoor lighting working good again.
 

pete_c

Guru
I've been doing all WiFi modded wall switches in house #2.  Modded to remove them from the cloud and using MQTT 
 
The switches that I am installing all work fine in metal 4 X 4 boxes with conduit.  
 
Recently replaced the back yard outdoor flood lamp which was mounted close to the roof line.  The old one was plastic or PVC and around 10 years old and fell apart as I removed it.
 
 
I replaced it with this "el cheapo" Amazon LED flood lamp which was around $29.    The flood lamp appears well constructed to me.  Only time will tell how long it last. I disabled the night / day sensor shorting the wires in the device.

Amico Dusk to Dawn Light LED Outdoor Flood Lighting 20W LED Security Lights [180W Equivalent] 5000K IP65 Waterproof Dual Head
 
It's been working fine connected to a non dimming WiFi switch using MQTT for transport.  
 
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