ELK M1 Design & Installation Questions

[topdiggy2]

Hello:

I am considering purchasing a ELK M1 Gold system and my design calls for:

CQC via USB/Serial connection
132 window sensors
19 motion detectors
17 Door sensors
14 Glass Break sensors
17 Electric Magnetic Door Locks (* I want to configure a "lock down" mode for duress/panic alarms)
6 Keypads

My question is to comlete this scaled up application, which expanders will I need? And to activate the magnetic locks, what relays will i need?

Thanks

 

[Steve]

Welcome to CocoonTech. That's quite an install. First, I would very strongly suggest the ethernet interface, especially if using CQC, it will make your life tons easier. You did not mention smoke detectors or anything, so lets assume you leave all 16 onboard inputs as reserved, you would need 12 M1XIN input expanders for all those inputs, assuming each input as its own zone. If you tie windows together, etc, that number will drop. Just add all your unique zones and divide by 16 to get # of XIN's needed. I would also strongly suggest the M1DBH hub or even two, to handle the keypads, etc. Depending on sirens, etc, you may be looking at an additional power supply. Probably a good large one to drive the door locks too.

 

[Sacedog]

That should all work (though I cannot attest to knowing if the locks can be done...I have no experience there). I would highly recommend contacting Automated Outlet via phone, and talk to them about your install. If you are committed to purchasing from them (they have great prices), the will help you design the system down to the last relay. That's what I did, and they did a great job. My install wasn't as big as yours...about 120 total zones...but it was fairly complex.

 

[topdiggy2]

Hello:

Thanks for your help guys!!!

 

[AutomatedOutlet]

Input expanders are pretty straight forward.

On our system here in the office, we are controling Mag locks with the Elk. The digital outputs control relays on an Elk relay board. You can also use the Elk-912 relays if you prefer. The M1G comes with extra outputs on the base system. Elk also sells boards that expand outputs, expand relays, or expand both. Since I think you need 17 relays, for your application I would probably recommend 2 Elk-M1XOVR boards (adds 8 outputs & 8 relays each), and then add one Elk-912 relay to an output on the main board.

In short, you need digital outputs to control relays and the relays themselves. I would also caution to to put battery backup on the mag locks if you want them to work during a power outage...

 

[topdiggy2]

Input expanders are pretty straight forward.

On our system here in the office, we are controling Mag locks with the Elk. The digital outputs control relays on an Elk relay board. You can also use the Elk-912 relays if you prefer. The M1G comes with extra outputs on the base system. Elk also sells boards that expand outputs, expand relays, or expand both. Since I think you need 17 relays, for your application I would probably recommend 2 Elk-M1XOVR boards (adds 8 outputs & 8 relays each), and then add one Elk-912 relay to an output on the main board.

In short, you need digital outputs to control relays and the relays themselves. I would also caution to to put battery backup on the mag locks if you want them to work during a power outage...

Hello martin:

As far as the relays go, i have been in touch with a tech at Elk and they suggested the ELK-M1RB. Is that the same part as the ELK-912??? which is cheaper (lol)?


Also, i asked another question in the forum about the ELK gui & CCTV. take a look and let me know if you have any ideas on that.

Thanks
Thanks

 

[Steve]

The Elk-912 is just a simple single relay on a small board. The XOVR and the RB are boards containing multiple relays and are a much cleaner solution than 17 individual relays - that would be a mess to keep wire managed nicely.

 

[WayneW]

Since I think you need 17 relays, for your application I would probably recommend 2 Elk-M1XOVR boards (adds 8 outputs & 8 relays each), and then add one Elk-912 relay to an output on the main board.

Unless you have a need for the extra 16 non-relay outputs, I would suggest 1 Elk-M1OVXR (with 8 relays) and 1 Elk-M1RB (to add 8 relays), rather than 2 Elk-M1OVXR boards.

 

[AnotherOne]

The one advantage to the 912 is that you can mount the relay next to the device. I have 8 of these scattered around my house controlling fans, fireplaces, and pumps.