Elk-M1PR Proximity Reader - yay or nay?

[treo650]

Im having my M1 installed in about 2 weeks, Im debating if the proximity reader is needed?

Can you guys share some cool thiings it can do?

What do you use it for?

And....will it work with M1KPAS?


Edit to add
**using my M1 for security alarm only, not planning on doing any automation. Is it still worth it?

 

[michelkenny]

If you're only using your panel for security, about the only thing you can do with a prox reader is automatically arm / disarm the system with a key card or fob, instead of entering your code on the keypad.

 

[treo650]

how far is the distance from card or fob to keypad? 3feet? 5 feet? 10feet?

and will it work with M1KPAS?

 

[michelkenny]

I have the external mounted prox reader and it reads only a few inches away.

I cannot comment 100% on the M1KPAS but I think the part you mentioned only works with the bigger keypad model.

 

[tmbrown97]

It's a very short-range device - maybe 2-3" max - that's why its only practical purpose is for arming/disarming or access control.

Also, it expects a specific swipe which triggers an event of some sort - it can't just detect that a tag is hanging out in its presence - so it won't tell you that there's 3 keychains in distance or anything like that...

 

[video321]

It won't work with the KPAS only the KP1.
If you're looking for remote access I purchased a few inexpensive 4-button keyfobs with code-hopping to use for arm/disarm which will work to around 70' away. It's automated to open/close the garage door and interface with lighting/HVAC as well and I still have 2 buttons available for whatever else I come up with.

 

[Del91574]

It will not work with a KPAS, as stated, however you can run it to something like a KAM or install an internal in a KP or via pigtails to the 106855 (I think by numbers) or any other 26 bit weigand reader to the M1. The only item to make sure of is whatever reader manufacturer you go with, is to stay with the same credential manufacturer, it limits the numbers of potential issues.

As far a read range, it depends on what sort of reader, material the reader is mounted on, etc. Also, a card will have better read range than a fob as far as prox goes. If longer range actions are needed, RF can be used.

In relation to what actions the system performs, that's all set via rules. In my case, for myself and my wife, it arms/disarms outside, multiple partitions, unlocks the door (strikes) and in the case of children, only will unlock the door, requiring them to enter in a code, so if the fob (in their case) is lost, the house would theoretically still remain somewhat secure, provided the code was not shared. Further actions, such as lighting or t-stat actions could also be driven via rules.

 

[treo650]

It won't work with the KPAS only the KP1.
If you're looking for remote access I purchased a few inexpensive 4-button keyfobs with code-hopping to use for arm/disarm which will work to around 70' away. It's automated to open/close the garage door and interface with lighting/HVAC as well and I still have 2 buttons available for whatever else I come up with.

for the keyfobs, I will need the GE or Honeywell wireless adapter, correct?


---If thats the case, I am waiting on the two way keyfobs from ELK.

 

[video321]

No. I used a Seco-Larm receiver which works just like a relay tied into zones. The receiver was ~$40 for the 4-channel model and the 4-button keyfobs with code-hopping were under $20/ea. If I needed wireless zones I'd wait for the Elk receiver, but I only needed the keyfobs so I didn't want to spend $$ just for that.

 

[treo650]

No. I used a Seco-Larm receiver which works just like a relay tied into zones. The receiver was ~$40 for the 4-channel model and the 4-button keyfobs with code-hopping were under $20/ea. If I needed wireless zones I'd wait for the Elk receiver, but I only needed the keyfobs so I didn't want to spend $$ just for that.

Sounds like a really good idea.

You got the part numbers of your set? (and, which relay did you use?)

 

[video321]

Sounds like a really good idea.

You got the part numbers of your set? (and, which relay did you use?)

Receiver: SECO-LARM SK-910R4
Keyfob: SECO-LARM SK-917TP4J

The receiver is the relay and each output can be programmed to 1 of 4 modes: timed / toggle / latch / validity. I have mine set for 1 sec. timed output tied into a zone.

 

[BernieB]

Video321

Are you using this with an Elk M1 Gold panel? Hope my question makes sense as I haven't researched how this is supposed to be hooked up.

 

[video321]

Video321

Are you using this with an Elk M1 Gold panel? Hope my question makes sense as I haven't researched how this is supposed to be hooked up.

Yes. I wired it up as NO to a zone on the board. When a button on the keyfob is hit the receiver switches the internal relay which closes the circuit and the M1 picks it up as a tripped (non-alarm) zone. For it to do what you want you would need to create rules based upon that zone tripping.

 

[tmbrown97]

Another option that may or may not be of interest for integrating with the panel... have a quick glance at this: http://cocoontech.com/portal/articles/tutorials/home-automation/490-how-to-integrate-your-cars-homelink-buttons-into-your-ha-system

 

[treo650]

I did some reading, and came across @video321's post here:

http://cocoontech.com/forums/topic/18353-wireless-for-keychain-remote-only/

I decided to use @BraveSirRobbin's advice and purchased this RF Relay + 4 additional keypads (5 total)
http://www.electronickits.com/remote_control/rf4.htm

I plan to use

Ch1 - arm/disarm the M1
Ch2 - Activate STAY/Home mode
Ch2 - open/ close garage door
Ch3 - open/ close sliding driveway gate