Garage Door Zone Type

[ano]

I know with HAI you can in fact bypass a zone with programming while it is armed, if you so wish. I bypass zones all the time if i feel like opening a window when the alarm is on.

 

[apostolakisl]

It may require further testing, but I'm pretty sure with both panels that you will not be able to bypass a zone via software while the panel is armed.

The workaround I can see is to put the OHD on it's own partition and then write rules or events to drive it arming by following the main area being armed, with disarm only functioning on that single point.

Irregardless, for security purposes, a fob is inherently insecure, as work alluded to.

I can't speak to HAI, but yes, you can bypass a zone on Elk with rules while armed. I know this is hai, but there are many similarities.

I considered using a partition instead of bypassing when I set it up at my house. However, it gets weird when you go to arm the system and the garage door is not showing as a zone on your keypad on the other partition. I considered writing a rule that says whenever partition 1 arms then arm partition 2, but if the garage door were open, you wouldn't know it from the partition 1 keypad.

 

[Desert_AIP]

Maybe the answer is through programming when I set the alarm. Can I check the status of the garage doors when I am arming the system and if one is open, abort the alarm set and issue a message?

If you have auto bypass disabled (HAI), the system will not allow you to arm the alarm with any zone unsecure.
The system checks the status automatically when attempting to arm.

This can be inconveinient.
e.g. You just loaded the car with stuff and have the garage door open and now want to arm the alarm then leave, and close the door behind you.
With auto bypass disabled, you would have to close the garage door, and any other zones, arm the alarm, then open the garage door, leave, then close the door. If you forget to close the door when you leave it will remain bypassed until closed, and there will be no notification to you.

I trick the system so I can arm the alarm with zones open (garage door, entry door, upstairs windows) but once the system is finished arming, none of the zones are auto bypassed. This combines the conveinience of auto bypass with the security of having it disabled.

I enable autobypass in PCAccess.
One of the first lines of programming restores all zones when arming.

WHEN ARM DAY
WHEN ARM NIGHT
WHEN ARM AWAY
WHEN ARM VACATION
    THEN RESTORE ALL ZONES

That forcibly unbypasses any zone that was autobypassed when arming was initiated.

I also program a longer delay for the garage door, using a flag as a 10 minute timer so I have time to exit the garage.
The garage door zone is restored when the door closes of when timer expires, whichever occurs first.
The timer expiration is a fail safe. If I forget to close the door, the zone will restore under programming, be unsecure, and set off the alarm. I will only be 10 minutes away.
I am planning to modify this with an auto close routine once I wire up the relay to the GDO.
Automatically close the door after 10 minutes when the alarm is armed, and a 12 minute failsafe timer in case the door does not close.

 

[apostolakisl]

Elk has a feature called "force armable" I wouldn't be surprised if HAI has a similar feature. This is an attribute specific to just the zones you have enabled it on. You can have the system set to not allow auto-bypass but still allow bypass on force arm zones. It allows the system to be armed with that zone non-secure (it bypasses it), then as soon as the zone becomes secure, it unbypasses it. It is designed just for situations like a garage door.

But some of this becomes moot if you are using a keyfob to arm.

 

[jmorris644]

If you have auto bypass disabled (HAI), the system will not allow you to arm the alarm with any zone unsecure.
The system checks the status automatically when attempting to arm.

This can be inconveinient.
e.g. You just loaded the car with stuff and have the garage door open and now want to arm the alarm then leave, and close the door behind you.
With auto bypass disabled, you would have to close the garage door, and any other zones, arm the alarm, then open the garage door, leave, then close the door. If you forget to close the door when you leave it will remain bypassed until closed, and there will be no notification to you.

I trick the system so I can arm the alarm with zones open (garage door, entry door, upstairs windows) but once the system is finished arming, none of the zones are auto bypassed. This combines the conveinience of auto bypass with the security of having it disabled.

I enable autobypass in PCAccess.
One of the first lines of programming restores all zones when arming.

WHEN ARM DAY
WHEN ARM NIGHT
WHEN ARM AWAY
WHEN ARM VACATION
THEN RESTORE ALL ZONES

That forcibly unbypasses any zone that was autobypassed when arming was initiated.

I also program a longer delay for the garage door, using a flag as a 10 minute timer so I have time to exit the garage.
The garage door zone is restored when the door closes of when timer expires, whichever occurs first.
The timer expiration is a fail safe. If I forget to close the door, the zone will restore under programming, be unsecure, and set off the alarm. I will only be 10 minutes away.
I am planning to modify this with an auto close routine once I wire up the relay to the GDO.
Automatically close the door after 10 minutes when the alarm is armed, and a 12 minute failsafe timer in case the door does not close.

Thanks, this is close but I do not really want to secure the garage doors. What I really want is to not be able to set the night arming if a garage door is open.

What are the thoughts about this?

WHEN ARM NIGHT
AND IF Detached Garage NOT READY
THEN SHOW MESSAGE 10 WITH BEEP
THEN PROGRAM DISARM

Joe

 

[Desert_AIP]

Thanks, this is close but I do not really want to secure the garage doors. What I really want is to not be able to set the night arming if a garage door is open.

What are the thoughts about this?

WHEN ARM NIGHT
AND IF Detached Garage NOT READY
THEN SHOW MESSAGE 10 WITH BEEP
THEN PROGRAM DISARM

Joe

Is there a reason you need auto bypass enabled?
If you have it disabled you can't arm with a zone open.

 

[jmorris644]

Is there a reason you need auto bypass enabled?
If you have it disabled you can't arm with a zone open.

Please see my first post. I want the benefits of disabling auto bypass but I do not want the garage doors setting off the alarm.

That is what I am trying to figure out.

 

[Del91574]

I considered using a partition instead of bypassing when I set it up at my house. However, it gets weird when you go to arm the system and the garage door is not showing as a zone on your keypad on the other partition. I considered writing a rule that says whenever partition 1 arms then arm partition 2, but if the garage door were open, you wouldn't know it from the partition 1 keypad.

This is where the F-keys come into play on the not as sleek KP's vs KP2/3's. I've typically put a relay event and illumination event for the OHD's on the F-keys, usually F5 and F6, leaving the others for panics and F4 for a definable event.

 

[Desert_AIP]

Please see my first post. I want the benefits of disabling auto bypass but I do not want the garage doors setting off the alarm.
That is what I am trying to figure out.

With auto bypass disabled, you can't arm the system with the doors open, that takes care of part one.

If you use 4x delay you get 4 times the entry delay before the doors set off the alarm. You can change the entry value to what ever you want, but it is a universal, so if you make it too,long, all of the entry delays will be long. That is why I use the 4x zone type.

If you don't ever want the doors to set off the alarm, then don't make them an alarm zone type, use aux.
If that is the case, then you will have to programmatically check the door status when you arm since the system only checks alarm zones.

The ony way to disable the doors when they are opened is with a key fob or perhaps wiring the garage door opener to the Omni and having the Omni do the actual control of the doors.

 

[rsw686]

I configured my garage door as a separate area. No need to auto bypass or bypass the individual zone. I am arming the area with a few program statements.

Below is an example of how to disarm the house when the garage is not closed at night and to wait until the door is closed to arm for vacation mode.

WHEN House OFF
  THEN PROGRAM DISARM Garage

WHEN ARM House NIGHT
  AND IF Garage Overhead NOT READY
    THEN PROGRAM DISARM House
WHEN ARM House NIGHT
  AND IF Garage Overhead SECURE
    THEN PROGRAM ARM Garage NIGHT

WHEN House VACATION
  AND IF Garage Overhead SECURE
    THEN PROGRAM ARM Garage VACATION
WHEN Garage Overhead SECURE
  AND IF House VACATION
    THEN PROGRAM ARM Garage VACATION

I also show a console message. Since the garage is a separate area you don't receive the not ready messages. The additional benefit is the blinking console light so you can easily tell at a glance the garage door is open.

WHEN Garage Overhead NOT READY
  THEN SHOW Garage Open NO BEEP
WHEN Garage Overhead SECURE
  THEN CLEAR Garage Open