Just curious if anyone has been installing Insteon for customers yet?
I've converted around 80% of my own house (the remaining 20% is usually in flux testing UPB, Z-Wave, Lutron, etc) and am finding that I like it more and more.
The switch based scene lighting seems to work well once setup and is ideal for small installations where the customer doesn't plan to have an automation controller or PC. Having a simple plug-in timer module that is sunrise/sunset aware would really finish the equation for simple installs!
So far, I've only installed 9 Insteon devices at one customer job which are all located in a Master Suite remodel. The job's not complete so I've not returned to program them yet, but the electrician does have them all installed. The loads on each switch are quite small (around 200w max) so they haven't experienced any flicker issues, but they aren't living in the rooms yet either so it's mostly the tradesman that have been using the lights to work.
These are the older "pre-flicker fix" switches and now there's talk of yet another fix to update the firmware. While I don't mind swapping switches at my own home, I have to sub an electrician at $75hr to do this for customers. With margins being basically non-existant on the Insteon gear to start with, it's going to cost me several hundred bucks if I find that the customer's switches need to be replaced!
Back to the margin... are any of you staying away from Insteon simply because you can't make any money selling the switches? I've personally directed some DIY types that I've been doing consulting with directly to Smarthome when they have the sales as they can buy the switches at a better price than I can as a dealer with the 10% off coupons.
Smarthome is obviously marketing Insteon to the DIY crowd which is a great thing, but I'm afraid that the limited ability to make a profit on the products will severely limit it's adoption by pros even if it matures into an excellent product?
I bring this up because I really like Insteon, but with the growing pains and small margins I'll likely stick with UPB and Lutron for customers.
Would be really interested to here opinions from anyone already installing Insteon for customers... especially how you will handle the potential replacements for flicker or firmware?
Thanks,
Paul
I've converted around 80% of my own house (the remaining 20% is usually in flux testing UPB, Z-Wave, Lutron, etc) and am finding that I like it more and more.
The switch based scene lighting seems to work well once setup and is ideal for small installations where the customer doesn't plan to have an automation controller or PC. Having a simple plug-in timer module that is sunrise/sunset aware would really finish the equation for simple installs!
So far, I've only installed 9 Insteon devices at one customer job which are all located in a Master Suite remodel. The job's not complete so I've not returned to program them yet, but the electrician does have them all installed. The loads on each switch are quite small (around 200w max) so they haven't experienced any flicker issues, but they aren't living in the rooms yet either so it's mostly the tradesman that have been using the lights to work.
These are the older "pre-flicker fix" switches and now there's talk of yet another fix to update the firmware. While I don't mind swapping switches at my own home, I have to sub an electrician at $75hr to do this for customers. With margins being basically non-existant on the Insteon gear to start with, it's going to cost me several hundred bucks if I find that the customer's switches need to be replaced!
Back to the margin... are any of you staying away from Insteon simply because you can't make any money selling the switches? I've personally directed some DIY types that I've been doing consulting with directly to Smarthome when they have the sales as they can buy the switches at a better price than I can as a dealer with the 10% off coupons.
Smarthome is obviously marketing Insteon to the DIY crowd which is a great thing, but I'm afraid that the limited ability to make a profit on the products will severely limit it's adoption by pros even if it matures into an excellent product?
I bring this up because I really like Insteon, but with the growing pains and small margins I'll likely stick with UPB and Lutron for customers.
Would be really interested to here opinions from anyone already installing Insteon for customers... especially how you will handle the potential replacements for flicker or firmware?
Thanks,
Paul