Jumper question for ELK wireless tranciever

[RogueOne]

Manual says to use a jumper for the transceiver and keypad* I only have one keypad and 1 transceiver but will be adding a ge transceiver later). On the transceiver there are 4 jumper pins in this order negative, but, a, +12v. Which two do I put the jumper on?
Thanks

 

[RAL]

I think you are referring to the data bus connector terminals.  That's not where the terminating jumper goes.
 
The terminating jumper is labeled "JP1" on the wireless transceiver.  That's where you install the jumper, if it is the last device on the data bus chain. 
 
If you have one keypad and one wireless transceiver, one way to connect things would be to run a cable from each one back to the M1G.  There, you would have the 2 cables connected to the data bus terminal strip.  Then, install a terminating jumper on the keypad and the wireless transceiver.
 
If you add a second wireless transceiver, then you can connect a databus cable from the first first wireless transceiver to the second one to make a daisy chain.  Move the terminating jumper from the original transceiver to the new one. 
 
Another way to do things would be to add a M1DBH data bus hub, and connect home run cables from the keypad and each transceiver to the hub.  Then, the terminating jumpers get installed on the M1G JP3, and the M1DBH.
 
Although you can have both a GE transceiver and an Elk transceiver on one system, this isn't normally a recommended configuration.  It's easy to run into trouble getting the configuration right.  I'd think through your reason for having both types.  If you need a GE transceiver because you want a certain sensor that Elk doesn't offer, why not go with GE right from the start?

 

[RogueOne]

I think you are referring to the data bus connector terminals.  That's not where the terminating jumper goes.
 
The terminating jumper is labeled "JP1" on the wireless transceiver.  That's where you install the jumper, if it is the last device on the data bus chain. 
 
If you have one keypad and one wireless transceiver, one way to connect things would be to run a cable from each one back to the M1G.  There, you would have the 2 cables connected to the data bus terminal strip.  Then, install a terminating jumper on the keypad and the wireless transceiver.
 
If you add a second wireless transceiver, then you can connect a databus cable from the first first wireless transceiver to the second one to make a daisy chain.  Move the terminating jumper from the original transceiver to the new one. 
 
Another way to do things would be to add a M1DBH data bus hub, and connect home run cables from the keypad and each transceiver to the hub.  Then, the terminating jumpers get installed on the M1G JP3, and the M1DBH.
 
Although you can have both a GE transceiver and an Elk transceiver on one system, this isn't normally a recommended configuration.  It's easy to run into trouble getting the configuration right.  I'd think through your reason for having both types.  If you need a GE transceiver because you want a certain sensor that Elk doesn't offer, why not go with GE right from the start?

You are correct. I didn't see the correct jumper. I do now. Thanks

I did run separate cables from key pad and transceiver back to m1

I already purchased (waiting for delivery)the ge transceiver as I have an old ge alarm system and wanted to use the old smoke detector and motion and door sensors. Are you saying it simply won't work or just a pain to get both transceivers to work?

Thanks again!

 

[RAL]

The GE receiver and Elk transceiver can both work together.  Configuration is a bit tricky, since you have to carefully follow the rules for setting up the addresses for both.
 
If you already have GE wireless sensors, what's your motivation for adding the Elk wireless as well?

 

[RogueOne]

The GE receiver and Elk transceiver can both work together.  Configuration is a bit tricky, since you have to carefully follow the rules for setting up the addresses for both.
 
If you already have GE wireless sensors, what's your motivation for adding the Elk wireless as well?

I needed more sensors so I thought the 2 way communication of the Elk sensors would be better. I bought 2 elk door sensors and a motion sensor

 

[RogueOne]

Will the ge transceiver hookup the same as the Elk transceiver and keypad or does the ge transceiver tie into the Elk?

 

[RAL]

I needed more sensors so I thought the 2 way communication of the Elk sensors would be better. I bought 2 elk door sensors and a motion sensor

 
The two way communication of the Elk wireless system is a nice feature, but if you already have a number of GE sensors, I would probably stick with GE, rather than mix them.  The GE system has been around for years and has proved reliable.
 
 

Will the ge transceiver hookup the same as the Elk transceiver and keypad or does the ge transceiver tie into the Elk?

 
I'm not sure what you are asking.  The GE receiver connects to the Elk data bus, exactly the same way as a keypad and the Elk wireless transceiver connect.

 

[RogueOne]

 
The two way communication of the Elk wireless system is a nice feature, but if you already have a number of GE sensors, I would probably stick with GE, rather than mix them.  The GE system has been around for years and has proved reliable.
 
 

 
I'm not sure what you are asking.  The GE receiver connects to the Elk data bus, exactly the same way as a keypad and the Elk wireless transceiver connect.

Sorry I meant does it tie into the Elk transceiver like having two smokes connected but you answered my question.
Thanks

 

[RogueOne]

When connecting the GEtransmitter to the databus, do I jump that as well for EOL like I did with the keypad and elk tranciever?  So a total of 3 EOL jumpers?

 

[Del91574]

When connecting the GEtransmitter to the databus, do I jump that as well for EOL like I did with the keypad and elk tranciever?  So a total of 3 EOL jumpers?

No.
 
M1 can support 2 terminated busses. Either you need to change the topology or add conductors for a feed/return or use a retrofit hub.

 

[RogueOne]

My lack of knowledge is obvious as I didn't understand that.  Can you dumb it down for me?  Can I do this without having to purchase more hardware?
Thanks

 

[RAL]

My lack of knowledge is obvious as I didn't understand that.  Can you dumb it down for me?  Can I do this without having to purchase more hardware?
Thanks

 
Take a look at the diagram at the bottom of page 7 of the Elk M1 Gold Installation Manual.  It shows how to wire multiple devices to the data bus.  Note that there is a jumper installed only on the last device in each of the two chains/legs.  The order of devices in the chain isn't important.  What is important is that only the last device on each leg gets a terminator jumper, and that there are no more than 2 legs.
 
If there was only one leg, then you would install a jumper on the last device on the one leg, and the second jumper gets installed on JP3 on the M1G panel.

 

[RogueOne]

 
Take a look at the diagram at the bottom of page 7 of the Elk M1 Gold Installation Manual.  It shows how to wire multiple devices to the data bus.  Note that there is a jumper installed only on the last device in each of the two chains/legs.  The order of devices in the chain isn't important.  What is important is that only the last device on each leg gets a terminator jumper, and that there are no more than 2 legs.
 
If there was only one leg, then you would install a jumper on the last device on the one leg, and the second jumper gets installed on JP3 on the M1G panel.

So if I understand you and the manual correctly I would connect the ge and elk transceivers together with a jumper on the last of the two (much like connecting the two smoke detectors) then the keypad on a separate cable to the data bus with jumper?

 

[RAL]

So if I understand you and the manual correctly I would connect the ge and elk transceivers together with a jumper on the last of the two (much like connecting the two smoke detectors) then the keypad on a separate cable to the data bus with jumper?

 
Yes, that would be one way that would work.

 

[RogueOne]

 
Yes, that would be one way that would work.

I will give it a try. Thanks