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The Cree CR6 does monitor and adjust the color temp. basically by adjusting the brightness of a red LED.
 
My company puts on the largest trade shows dedicated to LED lighting called Strategies in Light.  Our US show is next week in Santa Clara.  http://www.strategiesinlight.com/
 
It is free to attend the exhibit floor, but costs to attend the sessions.  I have to run many of the sessions but hope to get out to the show floor as well. I'll report back on what is cool. 
 
Ok, so I picked up 9 more of those Luminus lights today and finished my kitchen and living room.  The kitchen is ridiculous bright now.  250+ lux on all countertops.  My living room is insane also.  These lights have an 85 degree spread, and the corners of my room went from 8 lux to around 50 lux.  More than 6 times brighter.  I took my dimmers out because some of my bulbs were not dimmable.  But now, I definitely need to put them back because it's way too bright in the living room when just hanging out.  I wish the spread was more narrow in the living room.  My ceiling is 13 feet and a LOT of light hits my walls now.  I needed a bit more, but not as much as I'm getting now.  The floor directly under each light in that room is around 150 lux.
 
I have 2 more that I'm going to put in my bedroom.  I tried taking one apart, but I don't think I can do it without breaking it.  The back cover just has the driver board, and wires run down through two holes to the LED(s).  There are only two wires, so I doubt it has active color management, unless it's built into the LED module.  The diffuser/lens on the front is snapped in, and there's no way to get in and pry it out without damaging it that I can see.  I tried pulling it out using a strong suction cup, but it wasn't going anywhere.  One thing I noticed about the board is that it looks like there might have been an error making it and they soldered an extra resistor on it after it was manufactured.  Was it resubmitted to the UL for testing after this?  Who knows. But this worries me a tiny bit.
 
signal15 said:
I just went to Costco, and they have some LED retrofits similar to those Cree ones at Home Depot.  They are made by a company called Luminus, and the model is C-UPR63M.  Google doesn't turn up much:
https://www.google.com/search?q=c-upr63m&oq=c-upr63m&aqs=chrome.0.57.3231&sugexp=chrome,mod=17&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
 
However, the box says 3000K, 1200 lumens, 18 Watts...  and it's only $24.97.  So I picked one up to test.
 
I measured the lux output on my countertop in the kitchen below the light and on the floor radiating out from the light.  
 
Cree: 121 lux on the counter directly under the light, roughly 68-75 lux out to about 4 feet on the floor
Luminus: 238 lux on the counter directly under the light, roughly 112-121 lux out to about 4 feet on the floor
 
I'm pretty impressed by these.  Before I even measured the lux output, it was obviously about twice as bright.  The color is great, and the spread of the light is much greater as the Luminus illuminates the top of my cabinets, something that the Cree doesn't do.  A side effect of this is that there is definitely more glare from the lights, even when you're on the other side of the room.  The color is 3000K, and is a bit crisper than the Cree, but not too much so.  I actually prefer the color of the light.  No CRI is listed on the box though, I assume it's somewhere between 80-85 like most other LED's, the Cree is 92 which is very high.  I'm terribly colorblind, but I can still tell how well things render color.  Pinks and reds looked more saturated under the Cree.  I wouldn't say they were washed out under the Luminus, but they were definitely more muted.  The light doesn't have the weird greenish hue that some of the LED's I've tested have put out.
 
One of the nice things about the Cree is the light sensor and multiple colors of LEDs in it.  This allows the light to constantly adjust the color of the lamp to put out a specific temperature color as it ages, or between different bins of LEDs.  I doubt the Luminus has this, but I was too anxious to get it in and didn't take it apart.  
 
Ooo!  Another thing, it works with my Z-wave dimmers...  by itself.  I unscrewed an incandescent on a dimmer and screwed the base/adapter thing for the LED into it.  It dims, without other incandescents on the circuit.  It appears to dim down to about 25%, but I didn't spend a ton of time with it or measure the light output.
 
I'll use it for a couple of days, and if I have no complaints, I'm probably going to pick up several more of them.
 
The Luminus C-UPR63M Can-light LED retrofit kits are selling fast at Costco. Several of the nearby Costco stores were already sold out. Hopefully, they will get a new shipment soon.
 
They are actually made by a company called Conglom out of canada which also makes lots of other non-lighting related items. See www.conglom.com. The website  Has little information about their LED lights other than a single page which lists compatibility with Ace, Legrand, Leviton and Lutron dimmers. http://www.conglom.com/led.cfm?language=eng
 
These lights are Energy Star rated and listed in a list of other Energy Star lights here: http://downloads.energystar.gov/bi/qplist/Fixtures_Product_List.xls
These lights have the following specs: 1200 Lumens, 18 Watts, 3000 Degrees Kelvin, CRI: 81.8, 35,000 Hours life
 
So I ran into a problem with these lights. When they have been off for awhile And I turn them back on, only one light in the bank comes on. If I toggle it, then they all come on. If the circuit is getting power, shouldn't they all come on?

This happens on two different banks.
 
signal15 said:
So I ran into a problem with these lights. When they have been off for awhile And I turn them back on, only one light in the bank comes on. If I toggle it, then they all come on. If the circuit is getting power, shouldn't they all come on? This happens on two different banks.
Something wrong. Never happens here and they come on and off a lot because the kitchen bank is set to come on with motion.
 
George M said:
Something wrong. Never happens here and they come on and off a lot because the kitchen bank is set to come on with motion.
What switches do you have?  I'm using GE Z-wave dimmers.
 
Are each of your banks ALL Luminus LED's, or do you have other bulbs in them also?
 
signal15 said:
What switches do you have?  I'm using GE Z-wave dimmers.
 
Are each of your banks ALL Luminus LED's, or do you have other bulbs in them also?
Using Leviton Zwave Dimmers
All bulbs on the banks are the Luminus LED - no other bulbs.
 
George M said:
Using Leviton Zwave Dimmers
All bulbs on the banks are the Luminus LED - no other bulbs.
 
I'm thinking that maybe the Luminus LED's don't provide enough vampire power for the switch to operate properly after it's been off for awhile.  You know those short little bulb extensions that you can buy to make a can light bulb stick down farther?  They are like $1 each at Home Depot.  I was thinking a properly sized resistor could be soldered between the common and neutral on one of these, and you could put one on each bank to provide for vampire power.  
 
No idea how to size the resistor though.  Would it need some circuitry to sever the resistor link when things were turned on to prevent a fire?  
 
signal15 said:
I'm thinking that maybe the Luminus LED's don't provide enough vampire power for the switch to operate properly after it's been off for awhile.  You know those short little bulb extensions that you can buy to make a can light bulb stick down farther?  They are like $1 each at Home Depot.  I was thinking a properly sized resistor could be soldered between the common and neutral on one of these, and you could put one on each bank to provide for vampire power.  
 
No idea how to size the resistor though.  Would it need some circuitry to sever the resistor link when things were turned on to prevent a fire?  
 
 
Don't the z-wave dimmers have a neutral?  If so, they wouldn't be "leaking" current through the load to keep themselves powered. But I don't have any z-wave Leviton stuff to say for sure.  I do have some PIR lightswitches that use Neutral as their "leak" to stay alive.
 
Lou Apo said:
Don't the z-wave dimmers have a neutral?  If so, they wouldn't be "leaking" current through the load to keep themselves powered. But I don't have any z-wave Leviton stuff to say for sure.  I do have some PIR lightswitches that use Neutral as their "leak" to stay alive.
 
No neutral on the GE dimmers.  The only GE switches that have a neutral are the on/off switches.
 
I don't think that is the problem. The Leviton switches are notorious about having enough load to operate. I have one bank of ext lites with three bulbs. If two burn out, the other wont lite up. The circuit is dead.
I haven't taken my switches out for a while, but i know that some use neutral and other do not. It may be that the dimmers do not and  the on/off do.
 
gatchel said:
I'd be interested in the brand, quality, and color temperature of those bulbs.
Not to put words in ellisr63 mouth, but..
 
I've been using the following from lowes for some time (bathrooms and outdoor coach lights):
 
http://www.lowes.com/pd_338802-75774-LA19DM/LED_4294801215__?productId=3341246&Ntt=led&pl=1&currentURL=%2Fpl_Light%2BBulbs_4294801215__s%3FNtt%3Dled%26page%3D3&cm_mmc=aff_gan-_-k244266-_-GAN_1293202976-
 
They were post many pages ago in this thread.  The dim well with neutral referenced dimmers (Insteon), and handle the cold well ( -15F here).  At 3000K, I would not call them "soft white" as the Lowes page does.  Dispersion is rather narrow, they would not work well in a table lamp.
 
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