New Lighting & Motion Equipment Request

Micahs

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Hello there HA experts.
 
I am looking to build a home lighting control solution from some specific needs I have and I’m wondering if the folks here have any suggestions or recommendations that I can start from.
 
1. Need a way to fade up lights (incandescent, CFL and LED) on a dimmer switch based on both movement near a doorway and time of day (e.g. they should only do this at night). After a predefined timeout period the lights should fade down to off.
2. Need a way to turn on lights within an undefined time period (e.g. at dusk each day) and turn them off at another undefined time period (e.g. at dawn each day).
3. Need a way to locally override these behaviors to turn lights on or off
4. Need a way to turn lights on and off when away from the home (via the Internet).
5. Need multiple, independent zones and controls for each lighting case (e.g. movement at one door doesn’t trigger lights at the other doors).
6. Need control over lights that do not all reside on the same circuit (e.g. lights in the garage with switches in the garage and lights at the front of the house with switches inside the house).
 
I have previously tried and setup both X-10 and Insteon lighting solutions but each had challenges of range, compatibility or reliability in my former home.  Having recently purchased a new home (built in 2013) I am not currently using any home automation products and so I am open to any suggestions or systems that might be available.
 
Eventually, or really soon, I would like to add in keyless door locks and deadbolts to the house, as well as other dimmers, so there is a consideration for having these all tie together in some form or fashion as well.
 
Thank you in advance for your advice and suggestions.
 
Once you start talking about locks and deadbolts, you are going to want to look into Zwave and Zigbee (Schlage, Kwikset, and Yale all make wireless door locks and deadbolts). Currently, I believe Zwave has a much broader product selection when it comes to Zwave lighting devices, switches and receptacles.
 
Having said that, you could do most everything you are talking about with a Vera controller from MiCasaVerde (http://getvera.com/)
 
The limitation would be when you start talking about having them triggered off motion or doors that open/close. That's when you would probably want to tie into a hardware based security panel such as Elk or HAI. The Vera controller can integrate with both.
 
An HAI or Elk controller with UPB will fill all of your lighting needs.

You can add a zigbee or Zwave interface for lock control.
 
Desert_AIP said:
An HAI or Elk controller with UPB will fill all of your lighting needs.

You can add a zigbee or Zwave interface for lock control.
Why mix technologies when you don't have to? That means extra PIMs, and with Elk, also means an extra XSP.
 
Not sure if it matters or not (I'm hoping not), but I do have a newly installed cellular ADT security system with wireless door sensors and wireless smoke/fire sensors throughout the house.  I never got a straight answer on whether or not they were Zwave, Zigbee, or something else.
 
I am really hoping not to have to mix and match different technologies if I don't have to.  If I could find a way to commit to just one of the newer standards to get the basics right I'm hoping that would be the best way to go.  Integrating and interfacing with different systems makes me believe there will be more chances for it to fail when I am not around to fix it.
 
Micahs said:
Not sure if it matters or not (I'm hoping not), but I do have a newly installed cellular ADT security system with wireless door sensors and wireless smoke/fire sensors throughout the house.  I never got a straight answer on whether or not they were Zwave, Zigbee, or something else.
 
I am really hoping not to have to mix and match different technologies if I don't have to.  If I could find a way to commit to just one of the newer standards to get the basics right I'm hoping that would be the best way to go.  Integrating and interfacing with different systems makes me believe there will be more chances for it to fail when I am not around to fix it.
 
From what I've seen, ADT "usually" uses Ademo/Honeywell sensors for their installations. It's very easy to pop the cover off one of these devices (as if you were replacing the batteries); the manufacturer is usually written on the inside.
 
Having said that, the Elk system has a wireless interface for Honeywell, as well as GE sensors:
http://www.elkproducts.com/m1_input_output_xpdrs.html
 
I'm not as familiar with the HAI products, but I'd assume they have integrating modules as well...
 
Here with my Leviton HAI OPII panel I mix technogies; IE: X10, UPB and Z-Wave.  (There is also a bit of Insteon there but not connected to the panel).
 
Guesstimate is that you have a contract with ADT / Equipment in home. 
 
Not sure if they will let you add stuff to the panel (if that is what you want to do?) or whether they would let you manage your alarm system or if you have to request ADT to install stuff.
 
I am not familiar with their contracts though.
 
Been using X-10 since the 1970's.  Today I do not have any issues with it utilizing XTB stuff (X10 on steroids). 
 
I then migrated over to Insteon / X10; then to UPB on all of the inwall switches.
 
I have a friend with ADT service. His 2-year contract has actually expired, but he's currently still paying for their monitoring service until he can afford to replace it with an Elk panel. He's talked to them, and they have told him that if he decides to terminate the monitoring service, the hardware will remain in the house as his property. He's just going to pull their panel, add an Elk, and the associated RF receiver to integrate with all of the existing sensors.
 
drvnbysound said:
Why mix technologies when you don't have to? That means extra PIMs, and with Elk, also means an extra XSP.
Additive

UPB can do everything the OP wants out of the box with HAI.
 
Desert_AIP said:
Additive

UPB can do everything the OP wants out of the box with HAI.
 
I didn't know UPB made deadbolts ;) 
 
I figure if the OP is going to get Zwave deadbolts, he's going to need devices for the mesh network to support them anyway...
 
I'm not going to argue

Go back and read the OP

I don't have a stake in any specific technology, but this thread is starting to sound like some of the derpier boards on the net.

Happy New Year!
 
And for a fully featured HAI, he's at 3X the cost of a M1. Both are comparable, but with HAI you either buy the hobbled controller or the flagship...no modular in between.
 
For door locks, nothing beats a well installed strike. Yes, the wireless deadbolts are nice...until they start chowing the batteries. I have a keypad deadbolt on my detached garage and actually modified it to run off a power supply because of the temperatures and how often it ate through batteries. YMMV.
 
Desert_AIP said:
I'm not going to argue

Go back and read the OP

I don't have a stake in any specific technology, but this thread is starting to sound like some of the derpier boards on the net.

Happy New Year!
 
Lol, wut?
 
Here's what I read: 

Eventually, or really soon, I would like to add in keyless door locks and deadbolts to the house, as well as other dimmers, so there is a consideration for having these all tie together in some form or fashion as well.
 
FWIW, I use Eneloop batteries (very well received in the Photography community for flashes, as they have a very low discharge rate when not in use). They are rechargeable, so I use them over and over. I know they would last longer, but I generally change them about every 4-6 months.
 
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