Scoping out an ELK M1G install

Careful here! ;) There can be a conflict between the garage door controller output voltage and the M1's output voltage.

It would be easier to wire the push button directly to the M1 with a normally open zone definition and let the M1's output relay momentarily close the garage doors input contact.

That's what I was trying to say but you said it much better.

In that scenario, if using an XIN, would you need a relay or would just using an output be okay since it's a momentary closure?
 
As I mentioned, since I have a ELK keyboard on the wall where my garage door switch would be I use one of the function keys to turn on the output for 1 second duration. That way I don't have to deal with the separate garage switch either. Works beautifully.
 
That's what I was trying to say but you said it much better.

In that scenario, if using an XIN, would you need a relay or would just using an output be okay since it's a momentary closure?


my current garage door switch works with momentary closure. if it needs to be longer, can the M1 closure timing be adjusted?
 
as i plan out the space for the M1, i have two Viewsonics VSA-608 cable tv amplifiers. in perusing setups from others i have not noticed others using these amps. trying to figure out if i need them or can eliminate them. can anybody point me in right direction to determine necessity for the amps? thanks.
 
That's what I was trying to say but you said it much better.

In that scenario, if using an XIN, would you need a relay or would just using an output be okay since it's a momentary closure?


my current garage door switch works with momentary closure. if it needs to be longer, can the M1 closure timing be adjusted?

Absolutely,
You have complete control over the duration the output stays on
 
looking at elk keypads. kinda like new m1kp2's low profile. anybody recommend staying with the m1kp vs. going with new m1kp2?
 
Thanks to everyone who has contributed to my ELK purchase making decision. I took the plunge and am now starting the install. I have a few questions that i am sure are basic but the answers are not entirely clear to me from reading the M1 installation guide. Any help is appreciated.

Keypads:
  • i am removing some old 4-wire ademco keypads and replacing with ELK kp2's. splicing to the red, green, black and wires on the flying leads was easy enough. however, i am not sure what to do with the brown and blue leads. i don't have any sensors hooked up to the kp2's...maybe in the future but not right now. all i did was to cap the ends of the blue and brown flying leads so they don't cause a short. is this the right thing to do?
  • included with the kp's were a blue resistor and a jumper. my best read of the schematics is that these are only used when the blue and brown leads are in use. based on my decision above, the resister and the jumper are still in the the plastic ziploc bag. should i have installed them somewhere?
Zones:
  • my existing wiring consists of 2-wire runs from doors and glassbreaks...red and white. for all of the doors there is a resister (Gold, Red, Black, Red) in series on the red wire. once again, some basic questions:
  • i have not checked for continuity yet (will do after work) but i am assuming that the door contacts are N.C. contacts in which case i will need to use the 2200 Ohm resistors included with the M1. my question is on which wire do i install the 2200 Ohm resister...red or black? is splicing the resistor in series just before connecting to the M1 (as was done by the professional installer in my current install) the right place to do this? the installation manual seemed to indicate that the resistor might need to be placed close to the contact. its not clear to me why that would be the case, but i ask so that i don't mess something up.
  • when looking at the schematic for zone connections it appears that Zone 1 is drawn differently (capacitor?) than are all the other zones. does this means something? is zone 1 different from other zones? should i wire up zone 1 differently than zones 2-16?
  • when connecting N.C. zone relays to the M1 does it matter which wire is used as the negative wire (red or black) as long as i am consistent?
  • is wiring in a glassbreak any different than a door contact?
  • are glassbreaks typcially N.O. or N.C.?
 
Keypads:

* i am removing some old 4-wire ademco keypads and replacing with ELK kp2's. splicing to the red, green, black and wires on the flying leads was easy enough. however, i am not sure what to do with the brown and blue leads. i don't have any sensors hooked up to the kp2's...maybe in the future but not right now. all i did was to cap the ends of the blue and brown flying leads so they don't cause a short. is this the right thing to do?
* included with the kp's were a blue resistor and a jumper. my best read of the schematics is that these are only used when the blue and brown leads are in use. based on my decision above, the resister and the jumper are still in the the plastic ziploc bag. should i have installed them somewhere?
How many keypads are you going to have? Reusing your 2 pair cable is fine, but you should not have more than 2 branches coming off the controller. If you have several keypads home run, plus expanders, etc, I would suggest you use the retrofit hub, M1DBHR which will give you 4 separate managed RS485 branches. The jumper is for termination. The last device on the RS485 chain at each end need to be terminated. If the kpd is the last device, it needs the jumper. Everything else you did is ok.

* my existing wiring consists of 2-wire runs from doors and glassbreaks...red and white. for all of the doors there is a resister (Gold, Red, Black, Red) in series on the red wire. once again, some basic questions:
* i have not checked for continuity yet (will do after work) but i am assuming that the door contacts are N.C. contacts in which case i will need to use the 2200 Ohm resistors included with the M1. my question is on which wire do i install the 2200 Ohm resister...red or black? is splicing the resistor in series just before connecting to the M1 (as was done by the professional installer in my current install) the right place to do this? the installation manual seemed to indicate that the resistor might need to be placed close to the contact. its not clear to me why that would be the case, but i ask so that i don't mess something up.
* when looking at the schematic for zone connections it appears that Zone 1 is drawn differently (capacitor?) than are all the other zones. does this means something? is zone 1 different from other zones? should i wire up zone 1 differently than zones 2-16?
* when connecting N.C. zone relays to the M1 does it matter which wire is used as the negative wire (red or black) as long as i am consistent?
* is wiring in a glassbreak any different than a door contact?
* are glassbreaks typcially N.O. or N.C.?

My opinion is if the existing resistor is at the panel side, just chuck them and program the M1 as normally closed and no EOL. If the resistor is at the contact, you will need to replace it with the 2.2K You can search here for 'EOL' and will find ALOT of discussion on pros/cons. Bottom line is EOL means End Of Line, which is the contact. It is there so the system can detect a short in the line between contact and panel. Use red as your zone + wire and white as neg (just makes more sense).

Not aware of any diff in Zone 1. 1-16 are the only ones that support analog and 16 is the only zone that supports 2 wire smokes. No diff in Zone 1 from what I know.

No, doesn't matter, but typical red is + and black is -. I would follow 'standards' in case someone else ever has to work on system.

Yes, a glassbreak has 2 additional wires, for power. So, there are 2 zone wires which is just like a contact, and 2 power wires which go to VAux on panel.

Doesn't really matter, M1 can be programmed for several different definitions including NO, NC and EOL. So simple program the zone for whatever your device actually is.

Late edit: Major typo
 
Thanks, Steve. As i progress with my installation, my impression of the installation manual is that it is written as reminder notes for an installer that already knows what they are doing...not a newbie like me. I find myself reading a section in the manual and am left wondering about some basic facts. Without cocoontech to give a more background i would be lost on this installation.
 
I can help you remove one lighting system from your consideration. Elk and Zwave do not get along well at this time. Zwave networks are temperamental and the units fail often enough that you will need a much more flexible management solution if you want to retain your sanity. At this point, only Homeseer, their Z-troller controller and their Z-seer network repair/optimizer offer what I consider a minimum level of management capability for a long term relationship with a large Zwave network. I still allow my elk to control lights, but it is via outputs signaling to homeseer to run macros. Homeseer is only as stable as windows software can be, so Ideally Elk should come out with controller that *works* and plays well as a secondary Zwave controller. I have been waiting for 2 years for this to happen. Their current zwave interface is not a viable solution. It does not work with scene commands on large networks and cannot execute large macros, without the use of scene commands, like "set dim level to this group of lights to 20%".

I use the Elk relay and standard garage door contact method mentioned in this thread and it works very very well. A 1 second contact closure is all that is needed.
 
looking for help with ELKRP programming. i am looking to control the chime on a door such that it only occurs during certain times of the day. Here is what i programmed:

WHENEVER Front Door (Zn 1) BECOMES NOT SECURE
AND TIME OF DAY IS LATER THAN 7:00 PM
THEN SET CHIME TO DING ONLY IN Area 1 (Area 1)

At 6:30p, the chime dings when the door is opened yet there is 30mins until it is later than 7p. i feel like this should work but i am missing something basic. The chime doesn't seem to be sensitive to the AND criteria because i set it to chime only when TIME IS 7:00 PM and it would chime when the time is not 7p. I think the ELK M1 knows what time it really is because the thermostats read the correct time as does the Set Time function in ELKRP. Any help here is appreciated...i'm hoping this is another basic concept i am missing.
 
I think you need to also setup an AND anyways. otherwise the after after 7pm is continuous until you turn it off.

Try something like :
Whenever its after 7:00 pm
AND its before 7:00 am
THEN SET CHIME TO DING ONLY IN Area 1 (Area 1)

I setup a motion activated light like this and if my memory is correct had some troubles at first too.
 
Dave, thanks for the pointer. I put in this rule (the custom time is 9:30p)
chimerule.png


but no joy. thoughts on where my code should be changed?

What i am looking for is when the door opens during a certain time period, the doors chimes. Conversely, i want it not to chime during that block of time when i leave the house before everyone else is awake.
 
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