Skibum
Senior Member
Thats what PC touchscreens with a nice GUI interface are for... displaying the data
I guess actually SAVING power is not you thing then?
TED the energy detective
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I guess actually SAVING power is not you thing then?
TeleFragger
Active Member
over at homeseers forums.. a guy posted how he got ted to work with x10... that is the only reason why I have not gone with ted... due to me being mainly x10....
BrettS did it.. read it here... {sorry for passing you to a diff site}
http://forums.homeseer.com/showpost.php?p=...p;postcount=142
or just the entire thing...
http://forums.homeseer.com/showthread.php?t=123763
I have not made up my mind yet.
Located a few devices that are X10 or powerline unfriendly. refrigerator less that 1 year old, PC power supply, and
UPS. It seems that switched power devices are hardest to control their noise on the powerlines. I have good coupling at the panel and a link signal of 85+ at one PC when I use an extension cord to a different circuit. The Footprints software does work well. I want to log overnight and see the 2nd panel in the next day or so after I get the CT's connected there.
I understand that the transmitter 1 second pulse is really a data update so if a few pulses are missed it doesn't matter because the data is then updated to the logging receiver. (just the realtime data might be delayed) but that has not been an issues yet.
I have some distance RDU limits that drop the link performance. The cable lengths appear to be that issue from the panel.
A filter at the refrigerator will be needed, and the ones I have at the PC's and UPS seem to help. So TED is working on 1/2 of my panels and the remainder soon to follow.
Is you have any good suggestion on controlling plc noise, please let us know.
Located a few devices that are X10 or powerline unfriendly. refrigerator less that 1 year old, PC power supply, and
UPS. It seems that switched power devices are hardest to control their noise on the powerlines. I have good coupling at the panel and a link signal of 85+ at one PC when I use an extension cord to a different circuit. The Footprints software does work well. I want to log overnight and see the 2nd panel in the next day or so after I get the CT's connected there.
I understand that the transmitter 1 second pulse is really a data update so if a few pulses are missed it doesn't matter because the data is then updated to the logging receiver. (just the realtime data might be delayed) but that has not been an issues yet.
I have some distance RDU limits that drop the link performance. The cable lengths appear to be that issue from the panel.
A filter at the refrigerator will be needed, and the ones I have at the PC's and UPS seem to help. So TED is working on 1/2 of my panels and the remainder soon to follow.
Is you have any good suggestion on controlling plc noise, please let us know.
Thanks for the filter ideas, yes I am using a few but the refrigerator needs a 15 amp so that is in the works. I am try to see if X10 and TED can work together? I know and have lived with X10 and its design. Until I can replace everything with UPB which will take some time.... I want to have a power monitor that can work with X10 .... trying and searching for a possible solution.
I posted a new topic on X10 hoping to get a better understanding of the powerline activity I am seeing. I wonder if my cm11a is also dying... it has been creating some problems (chicken or egg) with the existance of TED and maybe it is a cause or a result of TED, cm11a, smarthome signallic all working against each other. I do not know yet?
continued ..... Thanks again , all
TeleFragger
Active Member
Thanks for the filter ideas, yes I am using a few but the refrigerator needs a 15 amp so that is in the works. I am try to see if X10 and TED can work together? I know and have lived with X10 and its design. Until I can replace everything with UPB which will take some time.... I want to have a power monitor that can work with X10 .... trying and searching for a possible solution.
I posted a new topic on X10 hoping to get a better understanding of the powerline activity I am seeing. I wonder if my cm11a is also dying... it has been creating some problems (chicken or egg) with the existance of TED and maybe it is a cause or a result of TED, cm11a, smarthome signallic all working against each other. I do not know yet?
continued ..... Thanks again , all
yeah I am 100% x10 and have it solid with 0 filters.... I just got it to 100% as I just found a isobar 6 that was pulling down my signal...
I too want to monitor my power... the rfxcom unit is really expensive (to me) so I wanted to go TED but looking at its reliability makes it a stretch.. hopefully you can get it working..... I will be watching as I may go this route eventually...
I love my x10 setup.. cheap and reliable.... however im thinking of going z-wave for lightling due to the wife likes toggle light switches and not decora... well it is getting hard to find 23890w switches but now zwave makes ha20c....... so we will see...
Yes, I agree I have X10 pretty stable but recently my new TED and legacy X10 are not working together.
An isobar 6 , I am going to check mine. What did it do on the powerline?
I saw an Intermatic Surge Protector (whole house) would this be the best configuration and get rid of local surge protection?
I have 3+ filters and the X10 cm11a, signalinc, phase coupler at panel, TED are all the environment.
Just found that the flood of BSC BBK is the TED MTU transmitter. Now I am worried, when I turned it off powerline went clean according to the testerlinc and my logs. I had crazy X10 lighting this AM and it looks that MTU was flooding the powerline and the signalinc was spraying everywhere..... Events using X10, that have run for years now have changed.
Need to run some HS events with MTU on & off. Then check for results.
I am getting to a cross-road. contunued later.
An isobar 6 , I am going to check mine. What did it do on the powerline?
I saw an Intermatic Surge Protector (whole house) would this be the best configuration and get rid of local surge protection?
I have 3+ filters and the X10 cm11a, signalinc, phase coupler at panel, TED are all the environment.
Just found that the flood of BSC BBK is the TED MTU transmitter. Now I am worried, when I turned it off powerline went clean according to the testerlinc and my logs. I had crazy X10 lighting this AM and it looks that MTU was flooding the powerline and the signalinc was spraying everywhere..... Events using X10, that have run for years now have changed.
Need to run some HS events with MTU on & off. Then check for results.
I am getting to a cross-road. contunued later.
Yes, I agree I have X10 pretty stable but recently my new TED and legacy X10 are not working together.
An isobar 6 , I am going to check mine. What did it do on the powerline?
I saw an Intermatic Surge Protector (whole house) would this be the best configuration and get rid of local surge protection?
I have 3+ filters and the X10 cm11a, signalinc, phase coupler at panel, TED are all the environment.
Just found that the flood of BSC BBK is the TED MTU transmitter. Now I am worried, when I turned it off powerline went clean according to the testerlinc and my logs. I had crazy X10 lighting this AM and it looks that MTU was flooding the powerline and the signalinc was spraying everywhere..... Events using X10, that have run for years now have changed.
Need to run some HS events with MTU on & off. Then check for results.
I am getting to a cross-road. contunued later.
I think you will find that TED and X-10 are not compatible with each other, as expressed in hundreds of posts, here and elsewhere. There are three solutions currently know. 1) Don't use TED, 2) Don't use X-10, or 3) set up an X-10 isolated powerfeed to run TED on so TED and X-10 don't interfere.
TeleFragger
Active Member
well I added the x10 floodlight out back and it was intermittently working... now and then in the morning the light was still on... utility room light not working... controlled via ds10a and motion....
in addition the minitimer in my bedroom wasnt turning on my bedside lamp in the AM.....
so recently.. we had major power storms... So I unplugged all computers except for my hs machine... when I did that my utility room light started working....
I went to check the sump pump and when I opened the door.. the light came on... so I ran up and turned the power switch on the isobar 6 back on and viola... my utility room stopped working..... thus found my issue... this sucks as I bought stuff already...
im gonna ebay my 1132u usb controller as I already have one and love it
dryer coupler repeater
2 smarthome filterlinc filters
and a mess of light switches
maybe my x10 hvac tx16 I think it is....
Yes, I agree I have X10 pretty stable but recently my new TED and legacy X10 are not working together.
An isobar 6 , I am going to check mine. What did it do on the powerline?
I saw an Intermatic Surge Protector (whole house) would this be the best configuration and get rid of local surge protection?
I have 3+ filters and the X10 cm11a, signalinc, phase coupler at panel, TED are all the environment.
Just found that the flood of BSC BBK is the TED MTU transmitter. Now I am worried, when I turned it off powerline went clean according to the testerlinc and my logs. I had crazy X10 lighting this AM and it looks that MTU was flooding the powerline and the signalinc was spraying everywhere..... Events using X10, that have run for years now have changed.
Need to run some HS events with MTU on & off. Then check for results.
I am getting to a cross-road. contunued later.
I think you will find that TED and X-10 are not compatible with each other, as expressed in hundreds of posts, here and elsewhere. There are three solutions currently know. 1) Don't use TED, 2) Don't use X-10, or 3) set up an X-10 isolated powerfeed to run TED on so TED and X-10 don't interfere.
I have not seen posts that are that clear and in fact TED support has been real helpful in trying to get this envoronment to work.
Your suggestion # 3) "3) set up an X-10 isolated powerfeed to run TED on so TED and X-10 don't interfere.
" .... from what I have observed in that last 2 days also needs to X10 block that line to prevent TED MTU signals from reaching the rest of the X10 environment. It appears that they foul up or confuse the X10 transmissions.
I just tested the time it takes to X10 dim a light;
X10 dim a light to 10%, with MTU on 12 seconds
X10 dim a light to 10%, with MTU off 5 seconds
It appears that the MTU blocks the cm11a transmissions.
Can that be the explaination?
Further I have tried some of my HS events that have run for years and I am seeing some crazy X10 powerline activities in the process. I am going to try to clarify the problems here. continued.
Yes, I agree I have X10 pretty stable but recently my new TED and legacy X10 are not working together.
An isobar 6 , I am going to check mine. What did it do on the powerline?
I saw an Intermatic Surge Protector (whole house) would this be the best configuration and get rid of local surge protection?
I have 3+ filters and the X10 cm11a, signalinc, phase coupler at panel, TED are all the environment.
Just found that the flood of BSC BBK is the TED MTU transmitter. Now I am worried, when I turned it off powerline went clean according to the testerlinc and my logs. I had crazy X10 lighting this AM and it looks that MTU was flooding the powerline and the signalinc was spraying everywhere..... Events using X10, that have run for years now have changed.
Need to run some HS events with MTU on & off. Then check for results.
I am getting to a cross-road. contunued later.
I think you will find that TED and X-10 are not compatible with each other, as expressed in hundreds of posts, here and elsewhere. There are three solutions currently know. 1) Don't use TED, 2) Don't use X-10, or 3) set up an X-10 isolated powerfeed to run TED on so TED and X-10 don't interfere.
I have not seen posts that are that clear and in fact TED support has been real helpful in trying to get this envoronment to work.
Your suggestion # 3) "3) set up an X-10 isolated powerfeed to run TED on so TED and X-10 don't interfere.
" .... from what I have observed in that last 2 days also needs to X10 block that line to prevent TED MTU signals from reaching the rest of the X10 environment. It appears that they foul up or confuse the X10 transmissions.
I just tested the time it takes to X10 dim a light;
X10 dim a light to 10%, with MTU on 12 seconds
X10 dim a light to 10%, with MTU off 5 seconds
It appears that the MTU blocks the cm11a transmissions.
Can that be the explaination?
Further I have tried some of my HS events that have run for years and I am seeing some crazy X10 powerline activities in the process. I am going to try to clarify the problems here. continued.
When they designed the TED, they wanted a cheap way for it to communicate over the powerline so they picked a chip used for X-10, but they tuned it slightly off the X-10 frequency thinking that this would prevent interference, but they could only move away the transmissions so much. They use a different protocol than X-10, but there is still interference beween the two. A TED transmits once per second so there a good chance it will hit an X-10 transmission. Better X-10 devices do retransmit, so the signal can usually get through. For cheaper X-10 devices, reliability goes way down. An X-10 signal meter usually just reads the MYU as noise or random X-10 signals. The TED people deny there are problems, but they know there are, but there is nothing they really can do about it now.
The TED is " Xxad". 
It appears after running my X10 analyzer that the MTU transmissions are noise on the powerline PL, so X10 did not play well.... in fact the combination of a repeater (plug-in signal coupler-repeater - receives PL code & X10 and resends only X10) really mucked up the PL. Had lots of BSC codes "bad start code" There must of been a queue of sorts on the cm11a and the repeater so even after I stopped TED MTU , I had chatter (the Smarthouse repeater Signalinc was still transmitting ) for 5+ minutes.
I thought my house had a ghost. Nothing worked, Homeseer froze for about 10 minutes and no manual X10 commands worked. I unplugged everything, restarted HS and from that point everything went back to normail like it had ben for the last 2-3 years. Really messed up with PLC and TED. I think the unit worked really well alone when X10 and the cm11a, HS and repeater we powered off, but that is a condition that was not acceptable. Even if I created a dedicated line I would have to filter and block the MTU back into the panels so they could not escape.
Looking forward to an alternative to the PLC transmissions of TED.
I am on the waiting list for something better. Thanks for all the help and it was a wild ride to learn about all the ins and outs of PL and noise like I have never had. I was surprised to find out my refrigerator was one of the worst noise generator along with a ISOBAR surge suppressor.
TBC
It appears after running my X10 analyzer that the MTU transmissions are noise on the powerline PL, so X10 did not play well.... in fact the combination of a repeater (plug-in signal coupler-repeater - receives PL code & X10 and resends only X10) really mucked up the PL. Had lots of BSC codes "bad start code" There must of been a queue of sorts on the cm11a and the repeater so even after I stopped TED MTU , I had chatter (the Smarthouse repeater Signalinc was still transmitting ) for 5+ minutes.
I thought my house had a ghost. Nothing worked, Homeseer froze for about 10 minutes and no manual X10 commands worked. I unplugged everything, restarted HS and from that point everything went back to normail like it had ben for the last 2-3 years. Really messed up with PLC and TED. I think the unit worked really well alone when X10 and the cm11a, HS and repeater we powered off, but that is a condition that was not acceptable. Even if I created a dedicated line I would have to filter and block the MTU back into the panels so they could not escape.
Looking forward to an alternative to the PLC transmissions of TED.
I am on the waiting list for something better. Thanks for all the help and it was a wild ride to learn about all the ins and outs of PL and noise like I have never had. I was surprised to find out my refrigerator was one of the worst noise generator along with a ISOBAR surge suppressor.
TBC
yep, FYI I only had 1 MTU running the 2nd one for another panel was in the box. The result would have been 2X the powerline transmissions. Not a good X10 environment.
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