Trigger Alarm After 30, unless checked in.

[toddr]

I've been trying to think how to do this, but haven't really come up with anything.

Scenario: Bad weather is approaching and you take your family to the storm shelter. During the storm, tree falls and you are unable to get out.

What would be nice to do is enter a code on the keypad as you exit the door. That code would trigger a timer for 30 min. If timer is not disabled within 30 min, the alarm will trigger and send notice to central station that you need help.

I thought about caring a remote wireless trigger, but the reinforced concrete, steel door and earth makes it impossible to get a signal. Hence why I like the timer option.

Any suggestions?

 

[ano]

What you need to do is buy the relay board if you don't have it. Then wire one set of contacts to a zone like any other zone.  Include the EOL resistor if you use those. It sounds like the zone should be defined as a "panic" zone but you can define it as any type.  Then when you want the alarm to trip, with any rules your written, just turn the output on or off, depending how you wired it.  Its that easy.  You can't programmatically trigger the alarm otherwise.  
 
This method is pretty flexible as you can create trigger zones for anything you create logic for.

 

[toddr]

Thanks for the response Ano.  I didn't even think about a relay.  That should work nicely.

 

[ano]

I'm planning to do that as well.  My garage has several sensors including a beam across the garage. I only want to trip the garage "zone" when other garage zones trip in a certain way and order, mainly to prevent false alarms.  This way I can create the logic of under what circumstances the garage "zone" trips. 

 

[RAL]

Thanks for the response Ano.  I didn't even think about a relay.  That should work nicely.

 
 
Take a look at the Altronix 6062.  It's a timer and relay board all in one.  Use the relay contact as an input to a zone, as Ano suggested. All you would need to do it decide how you want to start the timer running.

 

[AndrewRubin]

Why not use one of the over 100 timers built into the Leviton OMNI?

 

[toddr]

Andrew,  I was back on the forum looking for something else when I saw your reply.  After getting into the programming/automation side of things the past few weeks, I discovered the timers.  This is exactly what I was looking for and didn't realize it existed.  The only problem that I found is that I cannot trigger a zone or call out.  I'm about to make another post asking about this.  I've been looking at this for the past few days (due to another issue), but haven't found a solution to trigger a zone.

 

[lakemirror]

I also am looking into triggering a zone into unsecure mode in order to initiate an alarm state programmatically to be able to create a panic alarm.
 
I have an expansion cabinet in my garage with a 16 zone/16 output board, and an 8 relay module.
 
Just so I'm sure that I'm reading the manual correctly, I would wire output 9 (for example) on the expansion board to T1 on the relay board.  Then I would wire relay 1 from either C and NC or to C and NO to zone 1 on the expansion board.
 
Here are my questions.
 
1.  Do I have to use eol resistors?  
 
2.  It looks like if I do, the resistor has to go across the zone terminals if I use C and NO, or between the relay and the zone if I use C and NC.  Is that correct?
 
3.  Does it matter which setup I use?  By that, I mean will either one trigger the zone into unsecure mode if it gets triggered by the output voltage?  I envision the output voltage being off until I programmatically turn it on to trip the panic alarm....does that dictate that I use one of the two setup scenarios exclusively?
 
Thanks for helping.
 
Tom

 

[pete_c]

1.  Do I have to use eol resistors?
 
Yes and no.  HAI doesn't provide an option to do both EOL and no EOL.
 
So if you are already using EOL's then yes.  If not then no.   It is all or nothing.  I prefer using EOLs at the sensor side.  I have seen short cuts just putting the EOLs on the panel terminals.
 
2.  It looks like if I do, the resistor has to go across the zone terminals if I use C and NO, or between the relay and the zone if I use C and NC.  Is that correct?
 
No.   See picture.
 

 
3.  Does it matter which setup I use?  By that, I mean will either one trigger the zone into unsecure mode if it gets triggered by the output voltage?  I envision the output voltage being off until I programmatically turn it on to trip the panic alarm....does that dictate that I use one of the two setup scenarios exclusively?
 
 
Personally dunno. 
 
In the old house had a yesteryear sub panel in the garage.  I just used a conventional keypad in the garage for a panic alarm.  I do have that wireless stuff / one FOB connected to one HAI panel that serves as a panic button.
 
Personally I prefer to keep it simple.  But that is me. 
 
One day my logic / alarm stuff shut the garage door after wife pulled in to garage while on a conference call.   It was low on the WAF that day.

 

[lakemirror]

Thanks, Pete.  My OP2 is set to not use eols.  Guess that simplifies that issue.
 
First thing I gotta do is get the expansion panel connected to the main panel.  It was installed when we built the house 12 years ago and I intended to use it for irrigation control, but I never hooked it up.  I've got wiring run between the two locations but am just waiting for my friend with the wire tracing equipment to come by and ID the correct pair.
 
My WAF was low with the entire HA concept but then my W went away.  Now I can make this place as complicated as I want.

 

[kurtmccaslin]

My recollection is that EOL resistors are required on the expansion panel.   They are optional on the main panel.

 

[pete_c]

Well then Tom I guess that fixes that WAF thing. 
 
It's easy to put in EOL's in.

 

[lakemirror]

I will experiment and report back.
 
And it's good not to have to worry about WAF, but sorry to have had it happen that way.  In any case, I'm free until the next Miss Wrong comes along again.

 

[Desert_AIP]

EOLs are required on an expansion enclosure, regardless of how the main panel is set up.