the reason I responded was to point out that the ‘too revolutionary to work’ idea was not presented to me by the manufacturer when I paid them for their product - what I tried to say was that excuse is outright bogus – just tried to phrase it with some diplomacy
my second paragraph was also an attempt to say there is a reason (actually – several) why this product line has so many flamers like myself – its not a vast conspiracy – it’s the seller and the products themselves
these two sentences
As a new user, I like to keep abreast of the boards to know what's what with my Insteon system. I've been somewhat surprised at the volume and passion of negative comments about Insteon - especially compared with other boards that I keep up with such as Indigo's.
led me to believe an explanation would be welcomed – trust me – my later post is an abbreviated list of my complaints (which are the reasons I am a malcontent)
I also see that you fully expected negative comments
Honestly I sort of expect to get semi-flamed - or at least get a lot of "just wait terrible things will happen to you" comments, so I've held off saying anything for a while.
I am sure that you did not intend it to be baiting, but it is red meat for us malcontents – I would like to know why my posts are (as you said) flaming – you like to point out that your HO is valid – please extend that same courtesy to our opinions – some posts are opinions – some are facts – please don’t respond to our posts that contain both opinion and fact by calling us flamers – and ignoring our direct valid questions
these threads descend into chaos because points are never debated – they turn into threads on why the thread descended into chaos – not answers to valid points or questions
I started HA about four months ago.
I took that to mean you’d welcome comments from people that have played with this stuff a little longer
your comments are almost as inflammatory as those you condemn
…the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one.
As a Cocoon discussion involving Insteon grows longer, the probability of it morphing to a discussion that flames the technology and its manufacturer approaches one.
There are plenty of threads here that beat up insteon and SH…without having to degenerate into trashing the technology and its manufacturer.
Nazis? Hitler? flames? beat up? trashing? why not engage the debate instead of dismissing the point? that is all too common in these fabled threads
I honestly don't think ANYONE could visit Cocoon and NOT know that there are some folks who hate Insteon technology, hate Smarthome, feel ripped off, etc. OK, I get it. I think everyone gets it.
I disagree – and will use the exonerating ‘just my opinion’ phrase to excuse my rudeness in pointing that out
But as an Insteon user, the atmosphere is fairly toxic. It's hard to have a conversation about the HA system that I have without pretty much every thread getting back into the trashing and thrashing.
the point of my second post is this: there is a reason for that ‘toxic atmosphere’ – and I pointed to a few examples of why the atmosphere around sloop’s digs is toxic – you seem to realize there are quite a few of us malcontents – and dismiss our reasons by calling us names
not to be rude – but I don’t know any other way to express it – as I see it, the malcontents post reasons – the fanbois don’t answer the points but start calling us flamers or worse
I disagreed with this
Be aware that this is still early adopter technology.
and some of your other statements such as this
I love Insteon - which works - v. the X10 stuff I tried years ago - which never did.
I did not respond to the second because it is subjective – my experience was exactly the opposite – but chose not to respond – but it seems that dissent in these threads is being discouraged
disagreeing with your point was on topic and not flaming – granted that it was not rainbows and sunshine as you want the thread to be – but geez – nazi?
now this is off topic and has no relation to home automation whatsoever – and not intended to bash bill – just to point out that using words like hitler and nazi when describing mundane things (like a forum thread) kinda cheapens the meaning of those words – we have all probably done it – but I know one man that I would NEVER say something like that in his company
Mike Jacobs is a survivor – he lives here in dallas and is a casual friend of mine – he inscribed his book to me with
Remember, “Never Aagain!â€
along with a personal message
Mr Jacobs is Jewish and born in Poland – his book describes running from nazis, getting caught, his life in concentration camps, the time when he was separated from his family and much more – Mr Jacobs survived and became a US citizen – he started a scrap metal company (that was quite successful), married and had 4 children
if anyone is interested – this is his book (its not for sale on amazon but the book is described)
http://www.amazon.com/Holocaust-Survivor-J...5152&sr=1-2
just something to think about
