22/4 wire

BSR you need to implement a cable management solution in there before someone gets lost in that and never comes back!
 
I'm curious how you plan to maintain the 1/4" separation between the battery wires and any power-limited wires per UL985 as specified on page 67 of the MIG Installation and Manual. Your friend may not qualify for a discount on his/her homeowners insurance if the system doesn't meet UL specs.
 
Photon said:
I'm curious how you plan to maintain the 1/4" separation between the battery wires and any power-limited wires per UL985 as specified on page 67 of the MIG Installation and Manual. Your friend may not qualify for a discount on his/her homeowners insurance if the system doesn't meet UL specs.
Are you saying that once all the wires are installed on an ELK system, it fails the UL specs?
 
Photon said:
I'm curious how you plan to maintain the 1/4" separation between the battery wires and any power-limited wires per UL985 as specified on page 67 of the MIG Installation and Manual. Your friend may not qualify for a discount on his/her homeowners insurance if the system doesn't meet UL specs.
Does anyone have experience in working with their insurance company for a discount? I thought I heard someone reference they focused on the monitoring and not the alarm.

I am hoping to get to that point myself, but would they send someone to the house to inspect the alarm?
 
I doubt it, but I guess it depends on how 'thorough' your insurance company is. I think most of them would simply ask what model alarm you have and the monitoring company. Worst case call the company to verify you are a monitored customer. But I could be wrong (and often am!) :rolleyes:
 
Steve said:
I doubt it, but I guess it depends on how 'thorough' your insurance company is. I think most of them would simply ask what model alarm you have and the monitoring company. Worst case call the company to verify you are a monitored customer. But I could be wrong (and often am!) :rolleyes:
There's only 1 person here who's always right.

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I hope an insurance company wouldn't do an inspection. It's pretty easy to add something to the ELK to make it not an "Approved UL Installation"
 
Photon said:
I'm curious how you plan to maintain the 1/4" separation between the battery wires and any power-limited wires per UL985 as specified on page 67 of the MIG Installation and Manual. Your friend may not qualify for a discount on his/her homeowners insurance if the system doesn't meet UL specs.
Well, if you want to go by the "book" in this fashion the problem lies deeper than this one issue as the Elk itself isn't UL certified (bought it before they got the certification :rolleyes:)!
 
BTW:

I believe I DO have that separation distance as the battery wires come underneath the unit, then route to the back wall (towards the bottom of the case) and then to the battery.
 
From NextAlarm:

"NextAlarm.com uses fully UL-listed central stations, and our customers qualify for a discount from most homeowners' insurance carriers. We will provide you with a certificate to show your insurance agent, stating that we are monitoring your home or business."
 
Yes, that's for the monitoring service but I think the above convo's are more concerned about the hardware and supporting installation itself being UL certified.
 
I'm curious how you plan to maintain the 1/4" separation between the battery wires and any power-limited wires per UL985 as specified on page 67 of the MIG Installation and Manual. Your friend may not qualify for a discount on his/her homeowners insurance if the system doesn't meet UL specs.

Are you saying that once all the wires are installed on an ELK system, it fails the UL specs?

The requirement for the 1/4" seperation of the battery leads (non power limited) to the power limited wiring is a NFPA requirement (that is why it is referenced in UL985). This is a difficult requirement to meet in many systems, however, with teh M1 it is a little easier than most since the battery terminals are located on the bottom of the board away from all of the other terminal blocks. You can have the remainder of your wiring enter from the top of the enclosure.

If for any reason you cannot maintain the seperation of the battery leads from the power limited circuits you can use appropiately rated electrical tubing or shrink tubing or double inulated wire etc. to meet the NFPA requirement (many alarm mfg's are doing that if they have no way to maintain the spacings). I am in the industry and I am very familiar with this situation. Personally I would say go with shrink tubing if you can.

I doubt any Central Station would give you a hard time on this one since it an often overlooked requirement by many professional installers.

While it is important to meet the requirement there is more than one way to skin this cat.
 
Digger said:
there is more than one way to skin this cat.
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Thanks for your replies. My experience with insurance companies (I work for one) is that the sales people are happy to take your word that a system meets some standard, but it is not until it is time for a claim that they get the specialist to do a house call. "I'm sorry Mr. Jones, you told us you had a red one, but I see it is really green. Green ones are covered by a different experience rating, so we can't possibly pay off your claim." By the way, we have some extremely knowledgeable specialists.

Aloha. . . . Photon
 
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