EOL Resisters Use and Placement

[Warez]

Here's what I'm not clear on. Please look at the following pic:

My house was prewired and this is what I have at each window. There is no slack, so I really can't pull any more wire out, but I can't push the wires back into the wall either. From what I think I'm understanding, the way to install the resistor... at least at this location in the pic.. would be to get a separate piece of wire, connect the current wiring to the resistor, then the resistor to a small piece of wire, then the small piece of wire to the contact. After all this, shove the resistor and extra wire into the wall.

Is this right? Or am off in left field somewhere?

The problem is that I cannot push anything back into the wall.


Now... with all this said, are the resistors really necessary? Can this system be configured without them?

And aside from a nail accidentally shorting the wires or some cat burgular drilling through the brick wall to short wires together, is there really a good reason for using the resistors anyway?

Thanks...

 

[DavidL]

wire the EOL in the panel, and forget-bout-it.

 

[BraveSirRobbin]

Warez:

Wow, hope you didn't pay a lot for that alarm wiring install, because you got screwed buddy! The wiring should have gone through the window frame as shown in my windows in THIS How To on Installing Your Security System.

But, you can salvage what you have by using the surface mount magnetic sensors that I've shown below. I would also "cut" a tiny slot into the drywall between where the alarm wiring hole is and the window frame so you can "tuck" the wires into that slot, then mud over it after you checked for proper operation/installation. The slot should be narrow enough where the lack of texture shouldn't be noticable.

I would bag the resistor on the "end of the line" and either just place them in the alarm panel (in series with just one leg or wire) or see if the M1G panel has an option to bypass the EOL alltogether, especially if you can't move the wire in or out at all.

I would highly recommend that you read that security install how-to and ring out all of your wires (as described in that document), then wire and test your magnet sensors BEFORE you wire ANYTHING to the panel.

As far as your unused zones, can't you just place a EOL resistor between the two terminals (or short piece of wire if you defeat the EOL setting)?

And aside from a nail accidentally shorting the wires or some cat burgular drilling through the brick wall to short wires together, is there really a good reason for using the resistors anyway?

Well I'm going to tell you no, but others may have an opinion that you might want consider before deciding.

 

[Chakara]

YES, test your wires and switches first. I have crappy wire just like yours. Very much a PITA. I also found one pair that was shorted, and another that came out of the wall on the wrong side of a side rolling window. Just brilliant. If I had bought this house new I'd be giving the builder an earfull, but it's 10 years old so guess I'm out of luck.

I probably should have done as recommended above and created a notch behind the sensor in the drywall, but didn't think of that and instead cut each wire to the correct length...leaving me no room for error. Guess I got lucky, but who know how I may have screwed myself in the future.

PS: Just finished installed the wireless sensor module in the Elk. Works like a champ for places that aren't pre-wired.

 

[BraveSirRobbin]

Also, you will have some "slop" that the window will have to travel before the magnet "breaks" contact since you are mounting it sideways, but I don't think it is a big deal because the gap in the window will be so small, nobody would be able to get in without opening it more anyways.

As far as the contacts I used, here is the Worthington's part number: 50F-12WG-W-BA. I would give a picture but between Worthington's site and GEIndustrial's site I got frustrated navigating them and left.

I think we should give a yearly award to the worst web site that fits our theme on CocoonTech. Right now I nominate Worthington's and GESecurity!

If you want me to mail you one to test out (providing your in the 48 cont. states), PM me your address and I'll get it out tomorrow!

Edit: Something like THIS, THIS, or THIS maybe.

Here is more of a detailed picture below. I just think you (and the wife) would like the smaller units a lot more.

Hey where has jlehnert been, he knows this stuff!! Edit: Man, he hasn't posted since April 16th. Hope nothing is wrong!