HAI UPB Install

[PaulD]

I just started to connect a "test" UPB setup with three switches and a USB PIM. I also purchased the HAI OmniPro PIM. I used upstart and all went well. I can control one test switch with upstart. Trying to setup HAI PIM and having some issues. I programmed UPB switch per above. I get "finding module" then "Unknown module". If I try to turn on and off module via PCA or via console the UPB switch doesn't respond. I wonder what I am doing wrong. When I send a command via PCA I see the signal bar go all the way across (good signal). The UPB network address and password match what I have in Upstart. Any suggestions?

I have had very spotty success with the USB version of a PIM so that could part of the problem. I stick with the serial versions...rock solid. Also, the HAI PIM's use different cable arrangements when hooking to different devices. To hook the HAI PIM to your PC serial port, you need the HAI 36A05-2 adapter. HAI makes several serial adapter and they are not all wired the same. When I ordered mine, they were unmarked and I had to mark them to keep them straight.

 

[pete_c]

Hello Paul,

Yes the USB PIM works great with Upstart. I can see the the UPB switch and was able to program it via Upstart. I can't seem to program or see it with the HAI Omni Pro II though. I purchased an OmniPro cable and serial PIM.

 

[nightwalker]

Make sure the PIM is in it's default state, that's the only way it works with HAI, upstart will put it in a different mode and is not compatible with the controller. I'd also double check the cable to make sure you have the correct one. If I remember right it's a 6 conductor cable. Also make sure you've setup the correct serial port in the controller. The message you're getting could be caused by any of those or several.

Paul is very right about the USB versions, very spotty, especially when using it for more than just programming thru upstart, in 24/7 operation it misses a lot.

 

[pete_c]

Thanks nightwalker

Yes I purchased two PIMs one USB and one serial for the Omni Pro II. I just confirmed that the PIM connected to the HAI Omni Pro II is in its default state. I purchased PIM/cable as a set for HAI Omni PRo II.

 

[cornutt]

I just started to connect a "test" UPB setup with three switches and a USB PIM. I also purchased the HAI OmniPro PIM. I used upstart and all went well. I can control one test switch with upstart. Trying to setup HAI PIM and having some issues. I programmed UPB switch per above. I get "finding module" then "Unknown module". If I try to turn on and off module via PCA or via console the UPB switch doesn't respond.

Hmm. If I understand this right, you configured the switch first using Upstart, then you tried to configure it using the controller. When you tried to configure the device using the controller, did you put it in setup mode first? When you use the controller to configure a device, it expects to find a device somewhere on the network in setup mode, and then it will program that device.

The recommended procedure for setting up UPB devices when you have an HAI controller is to use the controller to set it up first (initiating it from either the console or PC Access). That way, it gets the proper address and received-links configuration. Then, if there is any aspect of the setup you need to change (such as changing a device from dimming to non-dimming or vice versa), use Upstart to edit it.

 

[pete_c]

cornutt,

Yes, I configured the switch first using Upstart/USB controller, then tried to configure it using the HAI/HAI serial controller. I did put the switch in setup mode before trying to configure it with the HAI serial controller.

I will try again. I will remove the device from the Upstart USB controller configuration and try again with the HAI serial controller.

BTW - I can tell that the OmniPro HAI serial controller is sending "something" out in that I do see a "signal" on the UpStart program when sending out a UPB command via the HAI PCAccess program.

and using the following from FAQ:

4. Q: How do I configure a UPB system and an HAI Omni controller to work together?

A: To use UPB with an HAI Omni, you must purchase an RS-232 serial daughter card and UPB upgrade ROM from your HAI dealer. The Omni serial card can then be connected to a Simply Automated Model UMC-DB9 Computer Interface Module (CIM) using the supplied serial cable. Install all of these items per the manufacturer’s instructions. UPStart UPB configuration software is required to initially setup your UPB system. Configuration will be easier if you use separate CIMs for the Omni and for UPStart, although this is not required.

Configure your UPB system using UPStart. Write down the Network ID and Network Password you are using, and make a list of all Unit IDs that are assigned by UPStart. If you will be using UPB links to activate scenes from the Omni, make a list of the link numbers as well.

If you are using the same CIM for both UPStart and the Omni, follow the instructions to reset your CIM to MESSAGE mode after you are finished using UPStart. This must be done because UPStart automatically resets the CIM to PULSE mode, and this is not compatible with the Omni interface. You do not need to perform this step if UPStart is connected to a separate CIM.

From the Omni Installer Menu, set the serial module type by selecting “7†(EXP) and scrolling down to the module address set by the jumper on the Omni serial daughter card. Set the type to “5†for UPB.

From the Omni Installer Menu, program the assigned UPB Network ID and Network Password into the Omni by selecting “1†(CTRL) and scrolling down to UPB NETWORK ID and UPB PASSWORD.

From the Omni Setup Menu, enable enough “House Codes†for UPB operation to cover the range of Unit IDs for all UPB devices in the system. This is done by selecting “6†(MISC) and scrolling down first to HC1 FORMAT, followed by HC2 FORMAT, etc. Each House Code encompasses 16 devices. UPB Unit IDs 1-16 are enabled by setting HC1 to “3†for UPB, Unit IDs 17-32 are enabled by setting HC2 to “3â€, etc.

You should now be able to activate UPB devices and UPB links from the Omni. To activate a device, press “1†(CTRL), followed by the Unit ID (UNIT), followed by “#â€, followed by the action code as displayed. To activate a link, press “4†(ALL), followed by “3†(LINK), followed by the link number, followed by “#â€, followed by “1†(ON). Note that links can affect multiple devices, and the action taken by each device is defined by the configuration that was programmed using UPStart.

 

[mustangcoupe]

Anyone know a good place to get a bulk deal on the switches?

I would reccomend calling our CTVA members and give them a shopping list Im sure on 40 switches they will give you a price break!

 

[pete_c]

So I removed the switch from the Upstart configuration. Removed the USB Pim (unplugged it). Tried again with the HAI Omni Pro II via a console.

Still get - "starting" .."finding module" ..."unknown device" on the console when adding the UPB switch

Here are some pics of my setup via PCA of the OmniPro II:

 

[nightwalker]

It might be worth going in and defaulting the switch as well, it could very well still have the wrong network info in it's programming and the controller won't touch it because it's not the same network.

 

[pete_c]

I've defaulted the switch. Still no go. Maybe its the order I'm doing this in.

1 - Default switch - defaults to unit id: 22, network id: 255, network password 1234
2 - Go to PCA - setup/Units/Dealer settings - set UPB network address: 255 and UPB Network Password: 1234
3 - In PCA go to: setup/Units/I1 / BR5-1 - name unit Hallway - description test scene and I2 / BR5-2 name unit Closet - description Main floor closet / H6 / BR5-22 name Test-2
4 - In PCA make sure Setup/Expansion/Serial - serial 3 is set to 9600 and UPB
5 - Save file and write to controller

At UPB switch - put into setup mode (rocker 5 times - blinking green)
At console - hit the "6" button (Status) then "1" button (Control) and scrolled down to the name of the light you just put into setup mode. Once there hit the "#" key twice to configure the switch.

Result is same: "starting" .."finding module" ..."unknown device"

One thing I noticed on the panel different than with the X-10 PIM connection is that I always see the X-10 LEDs constantly blinking. I do not see this with the UPB PIM connection. No LED blinks at all. Earlier though when testing with UPstart and sending a command with PCA to UPB I did see a signal on the signal bar though.

 

[cornutt]

Aha! For all rooms where you are using HAI devices, you need to set the house code type to HLC, not UPB.

 

[cornutt]

Also: Try using a different network address. I have a vague recollection from reading the UPB protocol standard that 255 is reserved for some special purpose.

 

[pete_c]

Started from scratch. Think I am making more of this than I should. It should be plug n play eh?

Steps -

Using UpStart plugged into office PC and USB PIM.
1 - Reset UPB module (5-10-exit)
2 - ran UpStart
3 - looked for new module - created new network - wrote done UPB network address of : 020 and UPB Network password: 126A
4 - module comes out as Unit 1.
5 - existed UpStart and uplugged USB PIM



1 - Moved X-10 PIM to serial port 2 on HAI panel - changed setup/expansion/serial port to reflect change
2 - moved UPB PIM to serial port 1 on HAI panel - changed setup/expansion/serial port to reflect change
3 - Changed House code format RM-17 (129) to HLC and named Hallway Defined RM-17-2 as closet.
4 - Wrote UPB network address of 020 and PW to PCA/Setup/Units/Dealer settings
5 - saved configuration / wrote configuration to controller.
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1 - tested X10 control - validated functioning fine to X-10 switch in office.

Also shut down HS / HAI plugin

Not sure where to go next?
Do I?

1 - put UPB switch in setup mode?
2 - go to HAI console and add/configure UPB switch -

IE:
At console - hit the "6" button (Status) then "1" button (Control) and scrolled down to the name of the UBP switch I just put into setup mode. Once there hit the "#" key twice to configure the switch.

Result is same: "starting" .."finding module" ..."unknown device"

 

[nightwalker]

Pete:

I don't use the omni for lighting but I seem to recall that the controller likes to set things up, not upstart. In a completely HAI world upstart is not really used and even when it is it would be the last thing you do. Generally you want to let upstart discover the network after it's all working with the controller, even then you don't want to make major changes as not all that you can set in upstart is supported by the controller.

 

[pete_c]

Got it. Called Automated Outlet. It was my approach to the logic of configuration that was wrong.

I purchased the Simply automated starter kit (3 switches and one controller) and 1 HAI PIM and cable for OmniProII connection.

Steps

1 - reset 1 installed UPB switch - (5-10-2)
2 - in PCA went to unit #129 and named it closet (hallway closet)
3 - while PCA was opened - started UpStart.
4 - connected to USB controller in Upstart
5 - searched for new UPB switch in Upstart
6 - added and configured new UPB switch in Upstart
7 - edited new UPB switch such that the unit number matched what was set up in PCA and copied UPB network address and password seen in Upstart over to OmniProII via PCA
8 - using Upstart wrote new configuration to switch
9 - in PCA saved configuration and wrote it to controller.

Tested turning on switch via Controller/console - worked - checked status with UpStart. Then did the opposite turning on switch with UpStart and looking at the status in PCA. All OK.

My problem was that I assumed that the first UPB switch would be unit #1 because it was the first UPB switch. I did not know that the name really didn't matter just the Unit# on the Setup/Units section of PCA.

As I start moving into UPB world found that I had only put one hallway light switch on X-10/Insteon. I found 6 other hallway light can analogue switches that I can use UPB with leaving the others (X10/Insteon) alone for now.

The next piece of this endeavor is to connect the HSPro UPB plugin to the USB PIM and concurrently control UPB switch via HS.

Thanks all for your suggestions and help.