Need Surveillance system to prove my dogs don't bark
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drvnbysound
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2sleepy said:
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This is creeping in more and more into today's society. I find it absolutely appalling that one can be accused without proof and is found guilty without the right to defend themselves. And above all now has the burden to clear ones name. What ever happened to 'in dubio pro reo'.
I would go against the "system" with a lawyer and fight the first instance. I would also install a simple webcam that looks on the front yard and records sound in the house. That way you can see if someone comes by and maybe "provokes" the dogs. At least you can proof if someone wasn't even there when they said they heard the dogs.
I am so sick of these neighbors snooping around. We are moving to the country!
We have four dogs, from a Great Dane to a Little Wiener Dog and they are exited when someone comes to the door. They sound amazing (Great Dane, deep and force full) and Dachshund (little viscous fighting sound). This is the right deterrent for a burglar. We discuss so many security systems here on the blog but in my book the best deterrent is a mob of dogs in the house.
I would go against the "system" with a lawyer and fight the first instance. I would also install a simple webcam that looks on the front yard and records sound in the house. That way you can see if someone comes by and maybe "provokes" the dogs. At least you can proof if someone wasn't even there when they said they heard the dogs.
I am so sick of these neighbors snooping around. We are moving to the country!
We have four dogs, from a Great Dane to a Little Wiener Dog and they are exited when someone comes to the door. They sound amazing (Great Dane, deep and force full) and Dachshund (little viscous fighting sound). This is the right deterrent for a burglar. We discuss so many security systems here on the blog but in my book the best deterrent is a mob of dogs in the house.
Well as I said earlier, at one point I was absolutely terrorized by my neighbor's big dogs barking at us EVERY SINGLE TIME we left our house (and not stopping) and I was at my wits end. Luckily, one of the occupants left and took one of the dogs...after that things improved but the remaining dog still barks at us a lot. So I'm glad there is at least some relief for this sort of dog barking because when I was researching relief, a lot of people posted "you'll have to move". And in case it seems like I don't like dogs, I actually have had dogs all my life but they stay inside and we train them not to bark unless an intruder or something unusual occurs.
Now with all of that said, as a lot of things happen, things swung too far to the opposite spectrum in this case. I'm glad there is relief but the burden of proof should be on the accuser, not the accused.
Now back to your original question, in addition to a camera to monitor your dogs, I like the suggestion someone had to have a video camera setup to view the side(s) of the house to make sure there's noone instigating your dogs to bark.
Of course, if you can just find a lawyer to write a letter, that could stop all of it before it gets started.
Good luck.
Now with all of that said, as a lot of things happen, things swung too far to the opposite spectrum in this case. I'm glad there is relief but the burden of proof should be on the accuser, not the accused.
Now back to your original question, in addition to a camera to monitor your dogs, I like the suggestion someone had to have a video camera setup to view the side(s) of the house to make sure there's noone instigating your dogs to bark.
Of course, if you can just find a lawyer to write a letter, that could stop all of it before it gets started.
Good luck.
Part of the problem is that this woman owns 2 acres of land that is directly behind my house, she refuses to thin out the vegetation so it is packed with tumbleweed, pinion pine etc. It is the only lot in the vicinity that is not fire cleared so it has become habitat for deer, coyote and bear. And my dogs bark when the coyotes come up to the deck, I'm not sure what dogs wouldn't bark. But, when they bark I am at the door within 3-5 seconds and they come in immediately when called. When I leave the house I lock them inside and close the drapes, there is zero barking when they are in the house, anyway they are just a couple of big lazy labradoodles and their favorite pastime is sleeping. This woman is off the hook crazy and apparently animal control has decided it's easier to put the burden of proof on me than to deal with her.dgage said:
I am going to go file my request for my hearing on my latest violation tomorrow and am also requesting a transcript of the last hearing and all the records that they have on these incidents, once I get it I will try to find an attorney but so far none of the ones I called have been interested in the case, I guess they don't want to take on Animal Control, maybe because it's a division of the Sheriff's Department
Anyway, I ordered a cheap system from Amazon that should do what I need, it records audio and video onto an SD card and you can move the contents to a hard drive, so I will just transfer it over every day or so and keep an archive of the recordings. http://www.amazon.com/Defender-Digital-Wireless-Security-Recording/dp/B003Y73Q3Y/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1387430879&sr=8-1&keywords=defender+security+system I'm not trying to protect against burglars, there hasn't been a theft in this area in 15 years, I just need to prove that my dogs don't bark...
Makes sense 2sleepy. Sucks the tact they've taken on this with you requiring proof.
If there is a way for you to remote into the camera to access the SD card, let us know so we can try to help you automate the movement of files. If sneakernet is required...you're on your own.
If there is a way for you to remote into the camera to access the SD card, let us know so we can try to help you automate the movement of files. If sneakernet is required...you're on your own.
The SD card isn't in the camera, it's in the 7" viewer thing. It will be in the house so it shouldn't be too much trouble to pop it out and stick it in my PC, but if I could automate transferring it to my hard drive that would be sweet =)dgage said:Makes sense 2sleepy. Sucks the tact they've taken on this with you requiring proof.
If there is a way for you to remote into the camera to access the SD card, let us know so we can try to help you automate the movement of files. If sneakernet is required...you're on your own.
That neighbor would have a lot more problems than just barking dogs to complain about.
Maybe its time to move. Who knows what's on the horizon for a sh*%hole city like that.
Dogs bark, cats meow, etc etc. Maybe the animal control people should listen to Ylvis. They might be able to learn something. They'll freak out when they heard what the fox says.
On a serious note, make sure that your local area doesn't have any restrictions on recording audio along with video. In some states audio recording is a real no no. If they do then there's your loop hole.
Maybe its time to move. Who knows what's on the horizon for a sh*%hole city like that.
Dogs bark, cats meow, etc etc. Maybe the animal control people should listen to Ylvis. They might be able to learn something. They'll freak out when they heard what the fox says.
On a serious note, make sure that your local area doesn't have any restrictions on recording audio along with video. In some states audio recording is a real no no. If they do then there's your loop hole.
There are no restrictions against recording audio and video on your own property, it's just if you record a conversation and don't tell the other party it's recorded, you can't use that in court. We plan on moving but we have a house to sell first. And you're right- we don't know what's next with her. She just filed another complaint about my birds whistling, claims she can hear them from inside my house and they are waking her up =/gatchel said:
wkearney99
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One way to find an attorney that works that sort of thing is go to other hearings and see who's representing people (especially if they win). In theory any judicial actions should be recorded and possibly transcribed. Request to see that material. See who's on it and call 'em up. Note, requesting to see the info should cost you nothing, it's public record. Bring a notepad. Getting a copy made, that might cost you.
It's entirely possible the little bureaucracy they've got there isn't being run properly. They may not intend to be violating constitutional law, but it sure sounds like it from the way you've described it. Stuff like this happens all the time. What's worse is people doing nothing to put a stop to it. Yeah, it's a hassle to defend yourself against stupidity, but failing to do so only makes it worse.
It's entirely possible the little bureaucracy they've got there isn't being run properly. They may not intend to be violating constitutional law, but it sure sounds like it from the way you've described it. Stuff like this happens all the time. What's worse is people doing nothing to put a stop to it. Yeah, it's a hassle to defend yourself against stupidity, but failing to do so only makes it worse.
The County Commissioners passed this law two years ago, and I am quite sure that they didn't think it through, or they would have realized that if you have a crazy neighbor the law gave them the right to file complaints and civil penalties with no evidence, Animal Control doesn't even have the ability to not process the complaint- if a citizen signs the right form then you get caught in the middle of this and if you get 4 of these you are charged criminally. She has filed two complaints against me, I have the hearing on the second one on Jan. 7th. She tried to file a third one stating that my birds whistling from inside my house were waking her up in the morning. Animal Control didn't process that one because the law applies to dogs not birds =/ She can file a request for civil penalty every day if she wants and each time she files one I pay a fine, which by the way is not refundable even if I win the hearing. In case you're curious about this insane law, here's a link to it: http://www.washoecounty.us/clerks/files/Ordinances/1460.pdf
Honestly, I doubt if anyone has ever showed up at one of those hearings with an attorney, I think most people are like me- they go there assuming that the complainant has to prove the dogs made noise, not that they have to prove the dogs didn't. I filed a records request but what they are providing me is not even half of what I asked for, I will probably have to go to the state attorney general to compel them to comply with the request.
As far as the surveillance system I bought, http://www.amazon.com/Defender-Digital-Wireless-Security-Recording/dp/B003Y73Q3Y/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1387430879&sr=8-1&keywords=defender+security+system It's a piece of crap and is going back. It will not record both cameras at the same time and when it detects motion it only records for about 30 seconds even if motion continues after that. I found another similar one by Lorax. It looks like the same cameras and even the monitor looks similar but it will record both cameras simultaneously. I never even thought about the Eye-fi I actually have one. It's an older model but I could still try it.
Honestly, I doubt if anyone has ever showed up at one of those hearings with an attorney, I think most people are like me- they go there assuming that the complainant has to prove the dogs made noise, not that they have to prove the dogs didn't. I filed a records request but what they are providing me is not even half of what I asked for, I will probably have to go to the state attorney general to compel them to comply with the request.
As far as the surveillance system I bought, http://www.amazon.com/Defender-Digital-Wireless-Security-Recording/dp/B003Y73Q3Y/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1387430879&sr=8-1&keywords=defender+security+system It's a piece of crap and is going back. It will not record both cameras at the same time and when it detects motion it only records for about 30 seconds even if motion continues after that. I found another similar one by Lorax. It looks like the same cameras and even the monitor looks similar but it will record both cameras simultaneously. I never even thought about the Eye-fi I actually have one. It's an older model but I could still try it.
That really sucks isn't it fining for something that didn't happened ? Well you certainly need to shut their barking mouths (your neighborhood). I was facing a similar issue in my society and I was like hell!~ then I also installed a camera system just to prove this f****ing thing. I 'll let you know as I am not sure from where I got but I got a 4 channel dvr system which is used for recording purpose to.2sleepy said: