I have an Omnipro II and I have just came across several UPB switches and a PIM and cable from a friend. I do not currently have a UPB network. My question: do I need another PIM to connect to a PC for programming or can I use the same PIM that is connected to my Omnipro II by disconnecting it from the Omnipro II and using it to program from my PC? Thanks.
Omnipro II and UPB PIM
- Thread starter mdruno
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Technically you can use one for both, but in practice its a bad idea. The OMNI and the PC each use a different mode for the PIM, and while you can switch modes back and forth, its a bit tricky. So I would recommend getting two PIMs. Get the HAI PIM and HAI cable for the OMNI, then any other PIM and cable for the PC.
If you can get it connected to UPStart, I think there is an option in UPStart to toggle it from one mode to another. The HAI only can us a serial PIM with a special cable, and I've never gotten a non-HAI PIM to work. Most PIMs are USB, so that won't work with HAI, so get a serial PIM. Your PC has a serial port, right?
Thank you for your input. Do you have a wiring diagram for the RJ connector to the DB9?
pete_c
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I wired my aux HAI UPB PIMs myself. Here is a thread from 2015.
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HAI/Leviton UPB Serial Connector Wiring
@JonW; I saw it and still do not understand why the PCS PIM serial port is unique? Here only have a 9 pin serial SA PIM so its probably not work playing with if the PCS PIM is different. Did a bit of virtual serial port diagnostic testing with the HAI PIM plugged into the Quatech server and...
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Thanks for your help. I tried to make a cable based on what I read in the 2015 thread.I wired my aux HAI UPB PIMs myself. Here is a thread from 2015.
HAI/Leviton UPB Serial Connector Wiring
@JonW; I saw it and still do not understand why the PCS PIM serial port is unique? Here only have a 9 pin serial SA PIM so its probably not work playing with if the PCS PIM is different. Did a bit of virtual serial port diagnostic testing with the HAI PIM plugged into the Quatech server and...
From the RJ11 to the DB9 as follows:
RJ11 DB9
Pin 1 - Pin 5
Pin 2 - Pin 4
Pin 3 - Pin 2
Pin 4 - Pin 3
And I can not establish a connection in UPStart.
pete_c
Guru
Maybe you have the RJ11 side of the jack flipped.
BTW you can utilize a standard unpinned RJ45==> RS232 connector end. It will fit fine with an RJ11-12 connector. You only utilize the 4 middle wires. Do not use the colors mentioned above and use a multimeter to check RJ12 wires to RS-232 end. Thinking I had it working with the HAI UPB Pim with just 3 wires at one time (RX, TX and Ground).
BTW you can utilize a standard unpinned RJ45==> RS232 connector end. It will fit fine with an RJ11-12 connector. You only utilize the 4 middle wires. Do not use the colors mentioned above and use a multimeter to check RJ12 wires to RS-232 end. Thinking I had it working with the HAI UPB Pim with just 3 wires at one time (RX, TX and Ground).
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Thank you. I tried to connect just as you have detailed. Still no luck. The PIM that I am trying to use is the HAI 36A00-1 UPB Powerline Interface. Once I plug the PIM into an outlet the status light flashes red 3 times, flashes green one time then goes to solid orange. Same result when the cable is connected. Still getting the "The powerline interface could not be found on Comm port 3. I am indeed using Comm 3.
pete_c
Guru
Yes have 3-4 of the HAI 36A00-1 UPBs floating around the house and one that I use with my laptop. The floaters are connected to serial to IP interfaces. I use these to check for signals. The UPB PIM for the OmniPro 2 panel is connected to an outlet attached to the fuse panel with a ~25 foot or so run to the panel via RJ12 flat cable.
Test in vivo....and use 3 wires initially....
36A00-1 ==> RJ12 6 wire cable ===> strip the end and cut off the outer two wires and leave the 4 middle cables open and use test clips to connect it to the RS-232 9 pin end...use only 3 wires to test..RX, TX and Ground....looking at one that I have next to the server rack...thinking it is plugged in to a Digi 8 serial port to USB device. Will take pictures....and post them here...6
Geez found 3 UPB PIMs connected to the server rack. (Home Assistant, Homeseer and W2016 for Upstart). One of them has an original HAI connector. They all connect to serial to USB interfaces (Including Digi Edgeport) Here are pictures. Another one is in the TV room and another is in the attic. (5 total) Do not use the colors as reference. Note too that only four pins connect to the RJ12 piece. Note that the pins are labeled with numbers.
Here is what Upstart looks like with the UPB PIM connected via USB to Serial to above mentioned PIM on Windows Server 2016.
Test in vivo....and use 3 wires initially....
36A00-1 ==> RJ12 6 wire cable ===> strip the end and cut off the outer two wires and leave the 4 middle cables open and use test clips to connect it to the RS-232 9 pin end...use only 3 wires to test..RX, TX and Ground....looking at one that I have next to the server rack...thinking it is plugged in to a Digi 8 serial port to USB device. Will take pictures....and post them here...6
Geez found 3 UPB PIMs connected to the server rack. (Home Assistant, Homeseer and W2016 for Upstart). One of them has an original HAI connector. They all connect to serial to USB interfaces (Including Digi Edgeport) Here are pictures. Another one is in the TV room and another is in the attic. (5 total) Do not use the colors as reference. Note too that only four pins connect to the RJ12 piece. Note that the pins are labeled with numbers.
Here is what Upstart looks like with the UPB PIM connected via USB to Serial to above mentioned PIM on Windows Server 2016.
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I see a discrepancy with pins 7 and 8bon the DB9. The wiring diagram you sent earlier has pins 7 and 8 jumpers together and you last photo shows no connection to pins 7 and 8.
I tried just TX, RX and Ground and still nothing.
I found an old serial cable that with an RJ 11 to a DB 9 that I have used in the past to program my HAI before ethernet. I just tried it and I can communicate with my OP2. But I still can not communicate with the PIM.
