Please check this list I am getting for the Elk/isy994i/insteon system for my home

Pcarfan · Nov 30, 2013

BraveSirRobbin · Nov 30, 2013

Elk Wireless Keyfob

tmbrown97 · Dec 1, 2013

The 14" can that comes with the M1 is pretty small; a 28" is a much better fit even when keeping security isolated.

I saw the extra P212S power supply and AC transformer but I didn't see an enclosure or battery for it. If you get the 28" for the primary the 14" make a good subpanel can.

You can use Out3 for the piezos but may want some relays for other stuff too.

Pcarfan · Dec 1, 2013

BraveSirRobbin said:
Elk Wireless Keyfob

I've looked at this, but wasn't interested in it. Thanks!
I have more than one vehicle and I don't want to carry it around with my keys. Besides I really don't have to arm disarm from my car. As I should be able to turn lights ON and OFF with my iphone, I'd rather do that. Am I missing something in this thought process?

The schematic you gave me a few months ago is tremendously helpful.

P.S: I am able to quote posts in firefox but not internet explorer. (I see you are a moderator)

Pcarfan · Dec 1, 2013

Work2Play said:
The 14" can that comes with the M1 is pretty small; a 28" is a much better fit even when keeping security isolated.

I saw the extra P212S power supply and AC transformer but I didn't see an enclosure or battery for it. If you get the 28" for the primary the 14" make a good subpanel can.

You can use Out3 for the piezos but may want some relays for other stuff too.

Great idea. I will get the 28" can as well.

What components in the list above do you think will go in the 14" can for a clean setup?

There is a list of things I put below what I had already purchased at smarthome. Item #5 there is the extra battery (1280) for the P212S. What kind of enclosure would I need for it? Do you mean the can?, so If I have the 28" and 14", will that be enough?

Item #6 is the adapter plate for the PD9. Will I need another Battery shelf ?(http://www.smarthome.com/1288S/Battery-Shelf-for-Structured-Wiring-Box-Elk-SWS/p.aspx) for the extra battery?

What relays do I need (what is a relay, anyways ? , sry for the newbie question).....I am going off this schematic 'BraveSirRobbin' gave to me. Could you tell me where the realy goes in this schematic?

Thanks!

Pcarfan · Dec 1, 2013

Also, can someone tell me in layman's term what the Dolphin connectors and donut grommets do to clean up the setup?

whlatimer · Dec 1, 2013

Having just implemented an Insteon ISY994i into my existing Elk M1 Gold / Hometroller / X-10 / zWave HA system, here are my suggestions:

1. Get the ISY994i PRO
2. Purchase the Elk integration module ($99) for the ISY994i
3. Use the Elk for security monitoring and the ISY884i for lighting (what each does best)
4. Purchase newer generation dual band Insteon products wherever possible
5. Purchase Mobilinc for iPhone or Android access to ISY994i
6. Get the 8 button KeypadLinc Model 2334-222 rather than the 6 button.

I retired my HomeTroller running HSPro. I eliminated zWave completely. I have virtually eliminated X-10 (2 modules left).
The Wiki and Forums at www.universal-devices.com have been very helpful.

Consider Insteon modules such as Lamplinc, ApplianceLinc, I/O Linc (Sensor and Relay), RemoteLinc, RemoteLinc2, Motion Sensor, etc. for all needs.
Insteon's mesh network works where X-10 failed and allows me to eliminate zWave as well.

Insteon modules are pricey compared to X-10 but the initial cost is readily justified in light of the capabilities.

Enjoy your new system.

Pcarfan · Dec 1, 2013

whlatimer said:
Having just implemented an Insteon ISY994i into my existing Elk M1 Gold / Hometroller / X-10 / zWave HA system, here are my suggestions:

1. Get the ISY994i PRO
2. Purchase the Elk integration module ($99) for the ISY994i
3. Use the Elk for security monitoring and the ISY884i for lighting (what each does best)
4. Purchase newer generation dual band Insteon products wherever possible
5. Purchase Mobilinc for iPhone or Android access to ISY994i

I retired my HomeTroller running HSPro. I eliminated zWave completely. I have virtually eliminated X-10 (2 modules left).
The Wiki and Forums at www.universal-devices.com have been very helpful.

Consider Insteon modules such as Lamplinc, ApplianceLinc, I/O Linc (Sensor and Relay), RemoteLinc, RemoteLinc2, Motion Sensor, etc. for all needs.
Insteon's mesh network works where X-10 failed and allows me to eliminate zWave as well.

Insteon modules are pricey compared to X-10 but the initial cost is readily justified in light of the capabilities.

Enjoy your new system.

I've alraedy got the basic ISY994i...however, the universal devices website says "Standard ISY994i is field upgradeable to ISY994i PRO to support additional devices/scenes". So, if I need to I think I should be able to upgrade it.

I've heard of needing to buy the Elk integration module for the ISY994i. How exactly do I do this? Is this a software upgrade that I can purchase once I hook up ISY994i and Elk?

I definitely need to control this with my iphone. Is Mobilinc the best for this?

Thank you!

P.S: I also got the Venstar thermostats http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009AVRB1Q/ref=oh_details_o02_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Will these work vis mobilinc as well?

whlatimer · Dec 1, 2013

Pcarfan said:
I've alraedy got the basic ISY994i...however, the universal devices website says "Standard ISY994i is field upgradeable to ISY994i PRO to support additional devices/scenes". So, if I need to I think I should be able to upgrade it.

I've heard of needing to buy the Elk integration module for the ISY994i. How exactly do I do this? Is this a software upgrade that I can purchase once I hook up ISY994i and Elk?

I definitely need to control this with my iphone. Is Mobilinc the best for this?

Thank you!

P.S: I also got the Venstar thermostats http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009AVRB1Q/ref=oh_details_o02_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Will these work vis mobilinc as well?

Once you have the ISY994i up and running, under Help, choose Purchase Modules. You pay online and the module is downloaded to the ISY994 from UD.
MobiLInc seems to be the clear favorite, even with a $20 pricetag. I do NOT have HVAC control so check with MobiLinc as to how t-stats are controlled.

Consider the 8 button KeypadLinc 2334-222 and replace a wall switch with it in a readily observable area. You can monitor and control multiple devices on the 7 extra buttons. The #1 button controls the light that the wall switch previoulsy did, with dimming.

I saw your question about what relays are used for. As an example, consider the standard wall-mounted garage door controller. If you press it, that activates the opener/closer and the door changes position. The controller is connected via two wires to the opener. If you connect a relay to the wire posts on back of the door controler using two wires, the relay would function the same way, making the door change position whenever the relay was activated. The difference is the ISY994i can issue the command to the relay.

The I/O Linc 2450 Sensor / Relay module can be used as either a sensor, a relay or both. Using the sensor portion, the ISY994 will always know if the garage door is up or down. You can create a program to close the garage door after dark IF it were open by activating the relay; that same program can send you an email confirming the door is closed. You can use Mobilinc to check the door status and change it if necessary. You can program one of the buttons on the KeypadLinc to light up when the door is open and activate the relay if you press the button on the KeypadLinc. The possibilities are nearly endless. Insteon is a wonderful thing.

Pcarfan · Dec 1, 2013

Whlatimer

Thank you for the explanation, including that of the relay. But, Work2Play said "You can use Out3 for the piezos but may want some relays for other stuff too.". So, how do I use a relay for the piezos? I assume I will use the piezos to scream if zones are violated. Why would I need a relay there? (What do I need to buy to run these relays?)

I didn't realize the 8 button KeypadLinc can monitor devices, which would be handy.

I assume all I need is the "Elk M1XEP M1 Ethernet Port Expander and Interface" to access Homelinc. I hope it would be self explanatory when I get into assembling all of this on exactly How I access Homelinc.

I've read the manuals and web videos multiple times a few months ago. I will go through them again before putting these all together....I am sooo excited.

tmbrown97 · Dec 1, 2013

as whlatimer said, a relay is basically an electronic switch. You supply power and it switches a set of terminals. In the case of the Piezo's you need a way to programmatically switch power on and off so the one built in Form C contact for Output 3 will do that. The "interior siren" wiring positions are for speakers so they can speak the voices - so the piezo's have to be handled on your own via rules.

Other uses for relays - garage doors (as mentioned above), strobes, buzzers (good for garage as warning), sprinklers, halloween decorations, etc.

whlatimer · Dec 1, 2013

Pcarfan said:
Whlatimer

Thank you for the explanation, including that of the relay. But, Work2Play said "You can use Out3 for the piezos but may want some relays for other stuff too.". So, how do I use a relay for the piezos? I assume I will use the piezos to scream if zones are violated. Why would I need a relay there? (What do I need to buy to run these relays?)

I didn't realize the 8 button KeypadLinc can monitor devices, which would be handy.

I assume all I need is the "Elk M1XEP M1 Ethernet Port Expander and Interface" to access Homelinc. I hope it would be self explanatory when I get into assembling all of this on exactly How I access Homelinc.

I've read the manuals and web videos multiple times a few months ago. I will go through them again before putting these all together....I am sooo excited.

Pcarfan: Yes you need the Elk M1XEP for network access to the M1 Gold panel via eithernet, either hardwired RJ45 or wireless bridge, e.g. Linksys WET610N. The Elk software M1EXP Utility is useful for determining the IP address the M1EXP is assigned and the ElkRP2 software lets you access the M1 Gold and configure as required. As I recall, both software programs are no-charge but you have to register your M1 with Elk to get access to the download area on their website. The ISY994i Elk interface requires the M1EXP and access credentials (passcode) to communicate with the Elk M1.

You might consider an ELK-SP12F Flush Mount speaker to position in another location away from the M1. With that, you'll be able to "hear" not only alarms but a succession of spoken words from the Elk, e.g. "Garage" "Door" "Open" or "Motion" "Detected". The Insteon Elk module can make the M1 "speak" any of the words in its vocabulary in response to any time of day schedule and/or condition the ISY994 is aware of. The ISY994i is always monitoring all the zones on the M1 and can react when any zone is violated. My hat is off to Universal Devices for such an amazing piece of engineering!

Enjoy your new system; you have chosen very well my friend.

RAL · Dec 1, 2013

Pcarfan said:
Also, can someone tell me in layman's term what the Dolphin connectors and donut grommets do to clean up the setup?

There are knockouts in the 14" and 28" cans that allow you to run wires into the can. The grommets are used to line the rough metal edges of the can after the knockout is removed. This protects the wires from scraping on the metal, possibly creating shorts.

The Dolphin connectors (also called B-connectors) are used to splice wires together. Mostly, you will use them when connecting a cable to a wired contact or other device that has pigtail leads. Also use them to connect to sections of cable together when it isn't possible to pull one continuous length of cable. Or, when someone accidentally cuts a cable and you need to splice it back together.

Pcarfan · Dec 1, 2013

RAL said:
There are knockouts in the 14" and 28" cans that allow you to run wires into the can. The grommets are used to line the rough metal edges of the can after the knockout is removed. This protects the wires from scraping on the metal, possibly creating shorts.

The Dolphin connectors (also called B-connectors) are used to splice wires together. Mostly, you will use them when connecting a cable to a wired contact or other device that has pigtail leads. Also use them to connect to sections of cable together when it isn't possible to pull one continuous length of cable. Or, when someone accidentally cuts a cable and you need to splice it back together.

Thank you. The grommets makes complete sense.

So, in regards to the M1 board. Will the dolphin connectors slide over where the 2-condutor and 4-conductor wires attaches on the board? or will it only be used near any device that also has wires, so when both wires are twisted together these Dolphin connectors could be slid over the joint?

Pcarfan · Dec 1, 2013

whlatimer said:
Pcarfan: Yes you need the Elk M1XEP for network access to the M1 Gold panel via eithernet, either hardwired RJ45 or wireless bridge, e.g. Linksys WET610N. The Elk software M1EXP Utility is useful for determining the IP address the M1EXP is assigned and the ElkRP2 software lets you access the M1 Gold and configure as required. As I recall, both software programs are no-charge but you have to register your M1 with Elk to get access to the download area on their website. The ISY994i Elk interface requires the M1EXP and access credentials (passcode) to communicate with the Elk M1.

You might consider an ELK-SP12F Flush Mount speaker to position in another location away from the M1. With that, you'll be able to "hear" not only alarms but a succession of spoken words from the Elk, e.g. "Garage" "Door" "Open" or "Motion" "Detected". The Insteon Elk module can make the M1 "speak" any of the words in its vocabulary in response to any time of day schedule and/or condition the ISY994 is aware of. The ISY994i is always monitoring all the zones on the M1 and can react when any zone is violated. My hat is off to Universal Devices for such an amazing piece of engineering!

Enjoy your new system; you have chosen very well my friend.

Thank you!

I don't have any wires run for the speaker. However, I do have CAT 6 cables for the keypad in the room. I don't think the keypad will use all the CAT6 wires, so could I use some of the extra wires for the speaker. If zones are violated it will be nice to hear it too.

Will either the Elk M1KPNAV keypad or the ELK-M1KP2 / ELK-M1KP3 keypad that comes with the package have speakers that can sound those elk voices?

Please check this list I am getting for the Elk/isy994i/insteon system for my home

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