UPB - single tap - activate link#1, doubletap - activate link#2

[aceman]

Is this possible w/ Upstart?

I want to hit the top rocker once to activate a particular link, and if i hit the top rocker twice (double tap), i want to activate a different link.

Is this doable ? essentially i want to use the rocker as a 4 button scene controller

Thanks in advance!

Aceman

 

[Desert_AIP]

No, you can't send two separate links.
I don't know of any switch that allows different links from the same button.

You can do something like this:

Single Tap - local control
Double Tap - send link (or local control plus send link)


You can chose different links for top tap and bottom tap, but not single and double.
Different links for single and double taps is a feature I think most would like to have.

 

[aceman]

Thanks Desert - appreciate the help even thought its not what i wanted to hear!
I wired all my remote switches in x-way setups as load switches (not accessory switches) so i guess i need the link just to control the load bearing switch. Maybe UPB will do this sometime down the road!

Aceman

 

[Desert_AIP]

You can do it through controller programing.
Use the unit on (local) or status transmission to signal the controller to send a link and let the switch transmit the other link.
It would take a bit of work to get right.

 

[tmbrown97]

You can do something like this:

Single Tap - local control
Double Tap - send link (or local control plus send link)

The functionality in the Double Tap is also dependant on the switch mfr. It won't do any good on a SAI 240 because everything is done through links including local load control. For the 1140 you can do it, but single tap would be local load, and double tap would be local load + something else (or reversed works too) - it doesn't have the option of only transmitting a link and not controlling local load. IIRC, Pulseworx or HAI had a "Do Nothing" option in the local load control, so the two actions really could be totally separate. You can play around in upstart offline with different Mfr switches and see their options.

For me this is fine - double-tap typically turns off everything in the room, including the local load... or in the case of my back patio, single tap is just the light, double-tap is the regular light and all the low-voltage.

 

[Desert_AIP]

Agree, this is a 1140 thing mostly.
You can use a 240 and send a status report and use that to signal the controller to take an action.
That can be an alternate action to sending the assigned link.

With the 1140s you can play around a bit.
There is a "No Command" option in the link section as well as a "Status".
In the local control area you can use the "Last On Level" with some effect.
Would be nice to have the "Do Nothing" option in the local section.

I don't think an Omni can see the "No Command".

You sometimes have to get creative to get them to do what you want them to do.

 

[aceman]

So what I ended up doing on the HAI switch (group of 3 switches) was:

Top Rocker - single tap - turns on local load, double tap - turns off local load
Bottom Rocker - single tap - turns on 3 switches, double tap - turns off 3 switches

Interesting thing is 2 of the 3 switches are HAI, one is SA (all master switches), the HAI's perform as programmed, the sA
do not.

Aceman

 

[JonW]

So what I ended up doing on the HAI switch (group of 3 switches) was:

Top Rocker - single tap - turns on local load, double tap - turns off local load
Bottom Rocker - single tap - turns on 3 switches, double tap - turns off 3 switches

Interesting thing is 2 of the 3 switches are HAI, one is SA (all master switches), the HAI's perform as programmed, the sA
do not.

Aceman

Your house, you can do it any way you want....but, I've found that doing things like that are not intuitive to anyone else and people end up not knowing how to turn the lights on and off.

In my own house, every switch turns on a local load with a single tap on the top and shuts it off with a single tap on the bottom. Double tapping the top turns on a room (scene) and double tapping the bottom turns off the room (scene). The single tap on/off is intuitive to guests, spouses, kids, etc. and I never have to explain how to use a light switch.

 

[aceman]

Not sure why i didn't think of that singtap top/bottom turns local on/off, doubletap top/bottom activates/deactivates link.....

DUH.

I like it.

Thanx JonW

>>>>>>>EDIT - this did not work...when i defined the custom rockers with single tap - snap on & snap off (respectively) and double tap for activate/deactivate (respectively), the single tap activates the linked switches when i only wanted the single tap to activate the connectedload to the switch being pressed...

am i doing something wrong?

 

[Desert_AIP]

You have to select "No Link" for the top rocker function in the Transmit section.

 

[JonW]

I set mine to transmit "Status" for the single taps.

 

[Desert_AIP]

I set mine to transmit "Status" for the single taps.

This is what I do as well.
I agree the top on bottom off is more intuitive than top on-off local, bottom on-off link.

 

[tmbrown97]

I preach everywhere I talk about living in a smart house, that the critical factor is that the house make sense to "laymen". If you walk up to my thermostat and turn it up, that works; if you walk in my bathroom and hit the light-switch, that works. Only my wife and I need to know that double-tapping any switch in a room turns everything off; or that double-tapping the upstairs hall lights turns off the entire downstairs. I will add though that my 3yr old daughter knows which button on the scene controller in the MBR sets the lights for her bath/bed time and uses it nightly.

I don't care if family guests have to walk around the house turning things off one by one as they would in their own house - but in my house, my wife and I have things much easier! What they see is familiar enough to them that they cope, and when we're home we take full advantage.

 

[Desert_AIP]

Concur.

About the only questions I get are with the bathroom fans.
"Hey, how do you shut off the bathroom fan?"
I say, "It'll time out and shut itself off."
"Oh, cool."

 

[aceman]

Thanks guys - when i reprogrammed the single taps to transmit status, all worked great! This method makes much more sense (sngle tap - local switch on/off,double tap is the entire link)...really neat feature...

thx
Aceman