Water cop to M1 gold

[Roofman]

Has anyone hooked up a Water Cop brand water shutoff valve to an Elk M1 panel? I've had the water cop for a few years works great, shutdown the water once when dishwasher leaked. I love it.
Roofman

 

[Digger]

Has anyone hooked up a Water Cop brand water shutoff valve to an Elk M1 panel? I've had the water cop for a few years works great, shutdown the water once when dishwasher leaked. I love it.
Roofman

Yes I have it connected to my ELK for years now. Never been a problem and it did work when it was supposed to. If I remember correctly I have a relay from the M1 trigger the valve and then monitor the contacts on the valve with a zone to confirm it activated. Then when the zone is violated the M1 speaks a message saying "Emergency Water Valve" or something like that.

Time to test it again.......

 

[tmbrown97]

do you want the elk to trigger it, or to monitor it, or both?

It can do both - it's just that the wiring diagrams will depend on what you're after.

 

[Roofman]

do you want the elk to trigger it, or to monitor it, or both?

It can do both - it's just that the wiring diagrams will depend on what you're after.

I would like to be able to turn on and off with rules as well as F Keys. I have the wireless transmitter at each water device. So I'm ok not to monitor.
Thanks
Roofman

 

[tmbrown97]

OK - I'm no expert on the watercop, but I did pull up the manual - and it looks like it has an RJ45 for control - Pins 5,6,7 are for manual control of it. Basically it looks like Pin 7 is the power - and momentarily tapping it to pin 5 will turn off the water; momentarily tapping it to pin 6 will turn the water on.

If you need help with relay diagrams let us know; if you're familiar enough with the basic premise behind relays, it looks like you'd need two relays for this circuit. One would be for open, and one for close. I didn't see the current limits for this but because of the type of trigger it is, I doubt it would need to carry much current other than for signaling; not to power the actuator.

there are actually a few ways to wire this - some may provide better protection (you should make it so there's no way to activate the open and close at the same time) - but basically you would want Pin 7 to be wired to the common contact of both relays; and pins 5/6 as the NO pins of each relay respectively. Your automation rules should activate the output for one second which would trigger either relay. Using rules you can flip-flop the status and trigger the activation of the circuit and the behavior of the function button.

I'd personally set up the supervisory sensors to the watercop too and drive the status lights based on the real status of the watercop, not the status of what you told it to do - if that makes sense.

 

[Roofman]

OK - I'm no expert on the watercop, but I did pull up the manual - and it looks like it has an RJ45 for control - Pins 5,6,7 are for manual control of it. Basically it looks like Pin 7 is the power - and momentarily tapping it to pin 5 will turn off the water; momentarily tapping it to pin 6 will turn the water on.

If you need help with relay diagrams let us know; if you're familiar enough with the basic premise behind relays, it looks like you'd need two relays for this circuit. One would be for open, and one for close. I didn't see the current limits for this but because of the type of trigger it is, I doubt it would need to carry much current other than for signaling; not to power the actuator.

there are actually a few ways to wire this - some may provide better protection (you should make it so there's no way to activate the open and close at the same time) - but basically you would want Pin 7 to be wired to the common contact of both relays; and pins 5/6 as the NO pins of each relay respectively. Your automation rules should activate the output for one second which would trigger either relay. Using rules you can flip-flop the status and trigger the activation of the circuit and the behavior of the function button.

I'd personally set up the supervisory sensors to the watercop too and drive the status lights based on the real status of the watercop, not the status of what you told it to do - if that makes sense.

 

[Roofman]

Hey work2play,
Not sure I hit you back with a thank you for the info. Unfortunately I had to temporarily halt work ( my own stuff ) to take care of some others. Not 100% sure about relays. I'm assuming all the power is coming from wc and the elk needs only to trigger either one of two relays to send the power from 7 to either 5 or 6. I got the idea but really I don't know how to do it. You said you may have a diagram on wiring the relays as well as the zones..
Much appreciated.
Roofman